Robert Weyland (abt. 1305)

Born about 1305 in Charsfield, Suffolk, England

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Died [date unknown] in England [uncertain]

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Biography

Robert Weyland was born in Suffolk, England.

Robert was a knight who held Charsfield in Suffolk.^[1][2] From his father's inheritance he apparently also held (and passed on to his descendants) Oxborough and Shipden in Norfolk,^[3][4] and Westerfield, Brandeston^[5][6] From his mother's inheritance his family had a bundle of Somerset lands near South Petherton including Hassockmoor, Compton Durville, and Radwell in neighbouring Kingsbury Episcopi.^[7]

He married Cecily, daughter of Thomas de Baldock.^[1] This Thomas was a brother of Sir Robert Baldock, Lord Privy Seal and Lord Chancellor or England.^[5][8] They had issue, including:

• Edmund^[9]
• John, who made a legal claim in 1384 which explained his ancestry.^[10]
• Katharine, m. John Botetourt.^[1][2]
• Margaret, m. John de Tudenham^[9]

Research Notes

In 1203 John Ravilious made a summary of the evidence, mainly citing Copinger, for the pedigree of this Weyland family, which has helped guide the following.^[11]

The father of Robert was Sir William de Weyland. Sir William died in 1327, as can be seen from his IPM.^[12] The IPM shows that William held Charsfield, Brandeston and Westerfield in the county of Suffolk, Oxburgh in Norfolk, and Radewell or Radewyll in Somerset, "held for life by the courtesy of England of the inheritance of Elizabeth his wife, deceased, of the bishop of Bath by service of half a knight’s fee". The heir and son of William and Elizabeth was Robert, who was 23 or 24 or more, depending which county inquisition we take.

In his Brandeston chapter Copinger cited a genealogically useful charter from 19 Edward II (1325/6).^[13]

Unfortunately Copinger cited it wrongly as being from 9 Edward II! Copinger wrote:^[5]

In 1316 a fine was levied between Master Robert de Baldcock, archdeacon of Middlesex, Chancellor to King Edw. II., and Bishop of Norwich, against Sir William de Weyland, the eldest son of Sir Thomas Weyland, of this manor, and Westerfield, by which they passed to the said Robert [de Baldcock], who regranted the same to Robert, son of the said Sir William de Weyland, and Cecilia his (Robert's) wife, daughter of Thomas de Baldcock, and the heirs of their bodies, being a marriage arrangement'

The fine shows that Robert's father was Sir William. However, it is important to note that not only the year is wrong in Copinger's report, but the father of Sir William apparently is not named in the fine. This was added by Copinger. See the article for Sir William the father article to this one.

The fine also shows that Robert de Weylond married Cecilia de Baldock about 1325/6 (not 1316!) which means it was not so long before Sir William died.

Robert was still a tenant lord in Charsfeld on 16 April, 4 Edward III (1330) when Robert son of John de Thorp, his overlord, had died and his IPM was made.^[14] For the family's other manors, they had other overlords, and so this does not necessarily mean Robert Weylond only had Charsfield.

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2} Richardson, Douglas, "Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families", Salt Lake City: the author, 2013 Vol. I, p. 456 BOTETOURT 8,iii.a
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1} Richardson, Douglas, "Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families", Salt Lake City: the author, 2013 Vol. III, p. 173 GURDON 13
3. ↑ Francis Blomefield, 'Hundred of South Greenhoe: Oxburgh', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 6 (London, 1807), pp. 168-197. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol6/pp168-197 [accessed 9 September 2022].
4. ↑ Francis Blomefield. "North Erpingham Hundred: Shipden and Cromer," in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 8, (London: W Miller, 1808), 102-107. British History Online, accessed March 24, 2016, [1]
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1 5.2} Copinger, Manors of Suffolk, Vol. IV - Brandeston, p. 222
6. ↑ Copinger, Manors of Suffolk, Vol. 2, p.380
7. ↑ A P Baggs and R J E Bush, 'Parishes: South Petherton', in A History of the County of Somerset: Volume 4, ed. R W Dunning (London, 1978), pp. 170-198. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/som/vol4/pp170-198 [accessed 9 September 2022].
8. ↑ See Robert Baldock on Wikipedia.
9. ↑ ^{9.0 9.1} Richardson, Douglas, "Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families", Salt Lake City: the author, 2013 Vol. IV, p. 315 PATESHULLE 11,viii,a
10. ↑ Wrottesley, Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls, p.155.
11. ↑ John Ravilious, SGM post May 30, 2003 [2]
12. ↑ https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol7/pp33-41
13. ↑ Note: the fine used as evidence above, which involved land at Charsfield, can be found easier on line today. Suffolk fine from the 19th year of Edward II. CP25/1/218/60-67 no.4.
14. ↑ https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol7/pp209-222

See also:

• Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 315.
• Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 366.
• Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 182-183.