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Johannes Zeh (abt. 1667 - abt. 1746)

Johannes Zeh aka See
Born about in Kurfürstentum Pfalz, Heiliges Römisches Reichmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
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Husband of — married [date unknown] in Pfalz Bavariamap [uncertain]
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Died about at about age 79 in Schoharie, Albany, New York Colonymap
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Biography

The Zeh family has been traced to Rudelsheim, a village replaced between 1819-1830 by the village of Ludwigshohe, on the west side of the Rhine River, just south of Oppenheim, Germany. Rudelsheim was destroyed in December 1819 when a dike along the Rhine burst, flooding the town. The village was then abandoned and relocated to higher ground on a hillside to west and renamed in honor of Ludwig, Grand Duke of Hesse, called Ludwigshöhe (Höhe- German for “heights”). Abandonment and moving from the old Rudelsheim was ongoing up until 1830. The church, the only preserved building, fell victim to a fire in 1837.

Johannes and Magadelen were the parents of 3 sons, all baptized at Oppenheim. [1]

  1. Johannes Gerhardt
  2. Ignatius
  3. Johannes Petrus Zeh

Oppenheim is located just south of Mainz and north of Mannheim and Worms on the Rhine River. The records say the family was from the village of Rudelsheim (now called Ludwigshohe) between 1704-1709. They probably attended the church or at least records are kept in St Katherines Church located in nearby Oppenheim. Edigheim, Germany--just north of Worms, where Yoakums originated was approx. 23 miles south of Ludwigshohe (Rudelsheim) Germany where the Zehs originated. This area has always been part of the Palatinate or Pfalz, never a part of Prussia, Silesia or Bayern. Today it is located in the German state of Rhineland-Palatinate (Rheinland-Pfalz) in southwestern Germany.

In later records, Johannes listed his occupation as a vine dresser, thus was probably involved in grape growing and wine making in this location which is still ongoing today. He and his family were Catholics shown in the baptismal records of three of his sons in Oppenheim church records and in London records showing him to have converted shortly after 9 Oct 1709. [2]

In 1709, the Zehs joined the great "Palatine" emigration traveling first to England then to America. According to most historians, the primary reasons for leaving the Palatine and other areas of Germany during this period were 1) protracted warfare with France which lasted off and on from 1618-1714 and hit the Oppenheim region particularly hard; 2) severe winter of 1708-09 that destroyed most of the grape vines and fruit trees in the area and resulted in massive starvation; 3) excessive taxes by the ruling class; 4) British offers of asylum and advertising of the good life in America; 5) and hunger for land. Claims of religious persecution are debated as no mention of persecution was made in petitions for asylum to the English Queen. Religious persecution in Europe was more often against Protestants. 1/3 of the emigrants, including the Zehs, were Catholics who were not persecuted by the French or by the Electorate of the Palatine who were also Catholic. [3] After the harsh winter of 1708-09, thousands of Palatinates prepared to sail down the Rhine to Rotterdam. The trip took 4-6 weeks. In the meantime, the ruler of the Palatine issued an edict forbidding emigration and seized two boatloads of fleeing families. It wasn't long before Rotterdam was overwhelmed with refugees--a thousand every week--13,000 between April and October. Conditions in the camps outside of Rotterdam were miserable, the lucky ones living in shacks covered by thatch. There they waited to board whatever ships they could, their passage paid for by the British government or Dutch churches if they could not pay their own way.

The Zehs--also spelled Zech, Zehn, Zeg, Sech, etc--were on the third sailing on June 2, 1709: John Zeg, 43, wife, and three sons aged 1, 6, 1/2 (Jones notes that the "first son should read 11" which fits with the ages of his siblings. (Some disagree with this age interpretation and feel that the original list should be scrutinized). He is listed with other husbandmen (farmers) and vine dressers. [4][p.22, London Lists in Public Records Office, London Third List of Palatines taken at St. Catherine's, 02 Jun 1709, 1,745 persons Vol. 2, No. D 68, from Palatine Families of New York by Henry Z. Jones.

After a 6-8 day crossing of the English Channel, the refugees were set up in a number of tent camps on Blackheath, Greenwich, and at Camberwell near St. Paul's. They were also sent to private homes, barns, taverns, warehouses, etc. raising concerns over the crowded, unhealthy conditions. Even though the British government paid for some of the food and supplies, churches, towns, and other philanthropic groups also pitched in the help care for the "poor German Protestants."

Because the British were more in sympathy with German Protestants than Catholics, many Catholic families converted to Lutheranism when they arrived in England. "Johannes Sech was a Palatine Convert from Popery when he was admitted to the Lord's Supper in the Protestant communion at the Lutheran Church at the Savoy in London shortly after 09 Oct 1709" [2]

While at first Englishmen were fascinated by the newcomers, it didn't take long for the novelty to wear off and the grumbling to begin. Complaints over competition for wages from English shopkeepers, even from charity recipients began to grow. Fear over the spread of contagious disease was also a concern. Threats of mob violence occasionally erupted into action.

According to Henry Z. Jones in The Palatine Families of NY vol 2, Johannes Zeh died 7 July 1750, age 78 yrs. (Schoharie Luth. Chbk.) which is exact date and age of death for Magdalena Zeh, his wife, as listed in the Records of St. Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church (Voxburgh's Transcript). Thus it appears that Jones may have confused the two. A better clue for Johannes' birth year comes from his listing on the London Lists in 1709 giving his age as 42 (birth year 1667. --Jones V2:1126.)

According to Vosburgh's Transcript, St. Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church Records, Schoharie Congregation, Register of the Schoharie Congregation, 1746, Johannes Zahe, Magdalena Zahe and ch. Adam and Christian appear there as members. This is the last known mention of Johannes in the church records. He would have been 79.

There is mention of a Johannes Zeh--probably a son given the date--having moved to Beaver Dam, settling next to the Werner family, between what are now the hamlets of Berne and East Berne in 1765. Here the Zeh and Werner families operated a saw mill as evidenced by a 1787 land survey of lands belonging to Stephen Van Rensselaer III done by William Cockburn. The purpose was to force leases on the squatters who had been living there rent free, some of them for almost half a century. Survey notes for Lot 564 say: "This is a Middling good Lot, Well Watered by the foxen Kill on which is a fine Sawmill, with a gang of Saws. The Werners & Sees are the Chief proprietors of it. Chiefly Pine & Oak Timber." This sawmill was on the bank of the Foxenkill, on the western edge of the 71 acre Lot 564; and lot 565 was farmed by Christian See. The Zeh and Werner families burying ground, with the earliest known burial in 1777 was located on the eastern part of the sawmill lot. The Zehs and Werners were instrumental in the 1790 incorporation of what became the Zion Lutheran Church in Beaver Dam. July 1797, the church leased Lot 564 where the sawmill and burying ground were located. Using planks sawed at the mill, a frame church was constructed near the burying ground, now known as the Lutheran Church Cemetery(Old Pine Grove Cemetery).

Johannes, Jr. was the son who moved to the Beaver Dam, which later became a part of Berne, Albany County, New York. He brought his whole family; and, two of his sons, Hendrich and Christian, continued to live there and operate the saw mill in cooperation with the Werner family.

RESEARCH NOTES

DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE for Johannes and Magdalena Zeh. Listed in Chronological Order [Sara Stevens Patton 2010 comments in brackets]

1. "1690 Huldigung of Handschuhsheim" - lists Johannes Zehe Palatine Families of NY by Henry Z. Jones- p. 1202 [SSP note: . Huldigung is a feudal practice of paying homage (I don't know what form it took) to the local prince or overlord that ruled the region. Apparently Johannes Zehe is on the list of those paying homage. Handschuhsheim may have been the name of the principality or region. Today it is a suburb of Heidelburg. This gives a clue as to where the Zehes may have lived before 1704-1709 when they are listed in Oppenheim and Rudelsheim. A check on church books in the Heidelburg area may prove useful.]

MARRIAGE?: Lutheran Chbk of Oppenheim, Germany shows a Johannes ZACH (ZECH) of Openheim m 9 Apr 1678 Maria Magdaline SCHMITT, wid of Johan Daniel SCHMITT. [quote in "Even More Palatine Fam" Vol-3 by Hank Jones 2002 to which, Hank adds "Due to ages in fam @ London, this couple can not be the emigrants, but perhaps related".

[The following 3 baptisms are listed in Jones under "The ch. of Johannes and Anna Magdalena Zehe". Jones states that these 3 baptisms are from the Oppenheim Catholic Churchbook but does not show the exact spelling of parents names or surname for each listing. He states they are written as Jois Zech, Zee and Zehn. I show them here as Zeh just so the reader will see they are the same family.]

2. 1704, Feb 17: Baptism of Joes [Johannes] Gerhardt [Zeh] born at Ruhlsheim/ Rudelsheim. Sponsor Joes Gerhard Firck (Oppenheim Catholic Churchbook- Palatine Families of NY by Henry Z. Jones- p 1127)

3. 1706 Aug 14: Baptism of Ignatius [Zeh] born at Ruhlsheim/ Rudelsheim. Sponsor Ignatius Spath (Oppenheim Catholic Churchbook) [Note: Henry Z. Jones states that baptismal sponsors are either relatives or VERY close friends. Ignatius Spath was listed next to "John Seg" aka Johannes Zeh on the London list in 1709. Palatine Families of NY by Henry Z. Jones- p 1127

4. 1709, Jan 9: Baptism of Johannes Petrus [Zeh] born Rudelsheim. Sponsor Joes Petrus Benrath (Oppeneim Catholic Churchbook)Palatine Families of NY by Henry Z. Jones- p 1128

WHERE TO LOOK : Catholic Church Book Kirchenbuch, 1637-1876 - Katholische Kirche Oppenheim (KrSt. Oppenheim)

Parish register of baptisms, marriages and deaths for Oppenheim. Includes Dienheim, Gimbsheim, Rudelsheim (now Ludwigshöhe), Zornheim, Nierstein and Ebersheim. (Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Gefilmt durch The Genealogical Society of Utah, 1973, 1975)

The name of the old village, Rudelsheim, means herd home. The present name, Ludwigshöhe, means Ludwig's height; this name was given in honor of Grand Duke Ludwig I (1753-1830), the first Grand Duke of Hessen. Some records from Rudelsheim are found among the Oppenheim records:

5. "Johannes Sech -- Jo. Sech was a Palatine Convert from Popery when he was admitted to the Lord's Supper in the Protestant communion at the Luth. Church at the Savoy in London shortly after 9 Oct 1709." More Palatine Families by Henry Z. Jones 1991 p. 410

6. 1709, June 2: 3rd list (ship Fame)-- John Zeg, wife sons aged 1, 6, 1/2 (1st son should read 11) -list of Husbandmen and vinedressers (close to him on same list are Balzar Lesch and Ignatius Spehd p.22 London Lists in Public Records Office, London Third List of Palatines taken at St. Catherine's [London], June 2, 1709, 1745 persons VOL. 2, NO. D 68 Palatine Families of NY by Henry Z. Jones V no page number shows on photocopy of list. [Original Ships Lists are in the Public Records Office in London]

PALATINES in 1709 LONDON; ³1. List taken at St. Catherines, May 6, 1709, 852 persons. ³2. List taken at Walworth, May 27, 1709, 1193 persons. ³3. List taken at St. Catherine¹s June 2, 1709, 1745 persons. ³4. List taken at St. Catherine¹s and Deftford June 15, 11, 1709.²

From "BOOK OF NAMES" by Lou D. MacWerthy -- On pgs 75 to 111 inclusive will be found the London List of Palatines--1709. -- Page 75 -- LIST OF PALATINES IN 1709¹ Copied from the Manuscripts in London, England Palatine Emigrants into England to June 20, 1709.¹ Copies of notes taken at British Museum. The original Lists are in C.O. 388:76, D. 57-70.

1710 Arrival: 14 Jun 1710 Palatines to New York, Third List - Ship: Fame From: London Captain: Walter Houxton

Johannes Zech, 43 [Hunter List #838]
Anna Magdalena
Johann Georg, 11
Johann Gerhardt, 6
Ignatius, 3
Johann Peter, 1 3-0 Zeg, Sea, Say, Zehe, Zee, Zehn; 3rd arrivals in

London; Catholic; to Tulpehocken, PA; to Augusta Co, VA.

~~THE NEW YORK SUBSISTENCE LIST Contributed by Kathryn Parker http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nygreen2/the_subsistence_lists.htm This list was compiled from the "journal" of Palatine debtors to the British Government for subsistence given either in NYC or the Hudson River settlements from their landing in 1710 to September 1712. This list was found in the Public Record Office, C.O. 5/1230 and was corrected from the accompanying "ledger" C.O. 5/1231. Although 6 notations are given in the journal, only two are given here, 1710 and 1712. For example, the entry Abelman, Johann Peter 2-I, 2-0. The first set, 2-I signifies the number of adults is 2 and 1 child under 10 years of age in 1710, the second set, 2-0 signifies the number of adults was 2 and no children under 10 years of age in 1712. All children over 10 yrs were given the full allowance for an adult and were not distinguished from more mature members of the family. (No explanation is given when there is one set of numbers regarding the cause, death, flight, etc.) ZEHE, JOHANNES 3-0, 3-1; (shown in EAST Camp)

There are four more entries and they stop at 13 Sept 1712 at p-1919. All are for 3 adults and 1 child. [also rec 1/07 from "akstaub"]

Listings for Johannes Zehe #838 on the Hunter Subsistence Lists [ Hunter Subsistence Lists were records kept by Gov Hunter in the Hudson River camps showing how much food or supplies were handed out to each family. Original Hunter Subsistence Lists are in the Public Records Office in London] 7. 1710, July 1: listed with 3 persons over 10 yrs old 8. 1710, Oct 4: child listed under 10 (new birth?) 9. 1710, Dec 31: listed with 3 persons over 10 yrs old, 1 under 10 10. 1711, Mar 25: listed with 3 persons over 10 yrs old, 2 under 10 11. 1711, June 24: listed with 3 persons over 10 yrs old, 1 under 10 transcribed in Palatine Families of NY by Henry Z. Jones-p.1126

Other transcriptions of Hunter Lists which are a little different?? -1 July 1710 is the first mention of Johannes Zeh #210 listed 3---6- owes for 3 adults, himself and ? (names not listed ). [ p-1786] [Next to Balthasar LESCH #103] -4th Oct 1710 he owes for 3-0 [ Balthasar LESCH also listed] p-1812 -4th Oct 1710 [add'l listing?] has 1-1, 1 adult and 1 child. [p-1815] [next to Johannes FAEG-] -31 Dec 1710 By "ye One and Thirtieth" of December (note:the 31st) he either moved or was moved to the Mannor Livingston and he was assessed for 3 adults and 1 child. They are evidently not in order because the next notation is dated 6 days earlier -25 Dec 1710 and he was assessed for 3 adults and 2 children. [p-1837] [next to JF] -24 June 1711 still at Livingston, assessed for 3 adults and one child. [p-1848] [next to JF] -29 Sept 1711 assessed 3 and 1. [p-1860] [next to JF] -24 Dec 1711, > same 3 & 1. [at Livingston Manor]

From Kocherthal records #12, 13, 14 below <http://threerivershms.com/nameskocherthal.htm>p. 17 Baptisms At New York:

[The Kocherthal records were published in the Lutheran Quarterly published at Gettysburg, Pa. The translation was made from the original now deposited in the archives at Albany, N. Y. and are the property of the West Camp Lutheran Church. Rev. Joshua Kochertahl was the pastor of the Palatines in West Camp and Schoharie. Kocherthal baptisms and confirmation took place in the West Camp - Livingston Manor on the Hudson River, before the Zehs left the for Schoharie. Kocherthal refers to Catholics as Episcopalians]

12. 1710, Sept. 24th: Maria Sophia, child of Gerhard and Anna Maria SCHAESTER: sponsors: Johann ZECH, Maria Apollonia WUEST, and Anna Sophia KOPP.

13. 1710, Sept 29th: Johann Adam, child of Johannes and Anna Magdalena ZECH: sponsor: Johann Adam LESCH. [LESCH appears often on various lists with the Zehs in London, Schoharie and Tulpehochen Henry Jones lists a number of references to Adam Sea/Zahe in Schoharie including his marriage and children. But due to late marriage and children's births, Jones states that it may be a different Adam. See Jones, Palatine Families p. 1128.]

Confirmation: 14. 1711, April 30: Johann George Zeh confirmed at New German Colony. (West Camp Lutheran Churchbook) "At the communion adminstered by me in the new colony of Germans...Johann Georg Zeh. (10 Germans, 5 others-"formerly members of the Episcopal Church.") on "A List of First communicants pp 81-86 The confirmation lists George as "a young person," the typical age for confirmation being 12-13 which fits with other ship records. Some think he is 10 years older but based on the other children's baptismal records in Oppenheim and their ages on ship records (no names given), I think it more likely he was born ca. 1698, closer to their birth years.

15. 1716/1717- Simmendinger Register shows Johannes Zeh and Magdalena with 4 ch. at Neu-Stuttgardt Dorf aka "Weisers-dorf in Schoharie. [photocopy of original in file; original in NY Public Library.)

[SSP Note: "dorf" = village. Before he left to return to Germany, Simmendinger traveled to various settlements in NY and NJ where the Palatinate emigrants had settled. He compiled a list of the each family and their location so that when he returned to Germany he could tell relatives there where the various families had settled in America. By this time, the Zehs were living in Weisersdorf--headman Conrad Weiser, located in today's Middlebergh NY in the Schoharie region south of Albany. It appears that the Weisers and Zeh families stayed close-- in Schoharie and later moving to Tulpehocken in PA. Conrad Weiser--about same age as our Johann Georg--became a famous Indian negotiator and translator.]

Others in Weisersdorf: *f BAUCH, CHRISTIAN W. ANNA DOROTHEA & 5 CH; BECKER, CONRAD; BRENGER, GEORG W. ANNA BARBARA & 4 CH; FECK, JOH., W. ANNA MARIA MARGARETHA & 5 CH; FECK, LEONHARD, W. CATHARINE; FECK, PETER, W. ANNA MARIA & 4 CH; FREYMAYER, MICHAEL, W. ANNA ELISABETH & 6 CH; LEYER, JOHANNES, W;. ELISABETH & 2 CH; MAGDALENA (NO SURNAME), WIDOW & 2 CH; MAGDALENA, MARIA (NO SURNAME) WIDOW & 4 CH; MATTHAUS, HEINRICH, W. CATHARINE & 4 CH; MOHR, JOHANNES, W. ELISABETH & 1 CH; MOHRIN, ANNA KUNIGUNDA, WIDOW & 1 CH; RIETH, LEONHARD, W. ELISABETH CATHARINE & 2 CH; RIETHIN, CATHARINA, WIDOW & 4 CH; SCHAFFER, NICOLAUS, W. MARIA CATHARINE & 4 CH; WEISSER, CONRAD, W. MARIA MARGARETHA & 8 CH; WERNER, CHRISTOPH, W. MAGDALENA & 3 CH; ZEH, JOHANNES, W. MAGDALENA & 4 CH;

16. ca 1720 Excerpt from "A Brief Sketch of the First Settlement of the County of Schoharie by the Germans By John M. Brown - 1823" <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyschoha/brbook.html> Near Albany, NY ca. 1720 Story of Magadalene Zee, captain of a mob of angry women, and her confrontation with the unfortunate Sheriff Adams.

17. 1725, Sep 25: Baptism of Anna Magdalena Rith b 25 Sep 1725. Sponsors: Conrad Weyser and his wife and Anna Magdalena Zeh. Reeds Church church book. Reeds Church was located 1 mile east of Stouchsburg, PA in Tulpehocken area. "Reed Church" (today Zion and Saint John's Lutheran Church) for the years 1742-1747 exists in the Moravian Archives, Bethlehem, PA.

At first glance, it appears that Anna Magdalena Zeh, aged 53 came all the way to the Tulpehocken area of PA for the baptism of this child and then returned to Schoharie in NY where she died in 1750 at the age of 78 as recorded in Schoharie church records. This seems to be a highly unlikely scenario. First, the Rieth or Reed's Church wasn't even established until 1727. Secondly, neither of the Conrad Weisers (father or son) moved to PA until after 1729. After looking at the original article, I note that the author explains that the Reed's Church records, which were for the years 1742-1747, followed Moravian custom, wherein "the entire family of members--including those baptised in Europe--was entered into the records." Thus the eleven entries made for Michel Rith's family, which extend from 1696 to1739, include earlier births and baptisms obviously occurring somewhere other than the Tulpehocken Valley. Without knowing when the Rith/Reed family actually came to PA, it is impossible to know where they were located in 1725. Michael Rith was not, however, on the early tax lists for the area the following January, making it highly unlikely he was in PA at that time. Thus I suggest that this mention of Anna Magdalena Zeh, as the baptismal sponsor of Michael Rith's child, was still located in Schoharie, and the occasion was simply included with the other records of the Rith family in the Reed Church record long after the fact.

Son Johann Georg Zeh to goes to PA with dozens of others from Schoharie, including Conrad Weiser, Jr. 18. 1725/26, Jan 10-11: Chester Co, Tulpehocken Twp. PA. Tax Assessments- Original document (PA State Archives Microfilm) Handwritten list of 36 names including "Hans Jery Say" who was charged £0.2.3 in tax. Handwriting probably by an English speaking clerk. Explanatory notes regarding tax assessment accompanying the microfilm states that the list of names was drawn up in the fall of 1725.

[SSP note: Hans is short form of Johannes, aka John. The name "Jery" appears for other men as well Jery Stump, Hans Jery Heine, Jery Reed, Jery Lesh, all known in other documents by the name "George". (In German pronunciation, the "J" sound is like a "Y".) Henry Z. Jones also lists Jurie/Yurie as nicknames for George and Rupp mentions Jerg, Jurg, Yerrick, and Yerg. I've also seen "Jury" and "Jörch" used as a substitute for "George". In at least two cases, I've seen the two names run together as "Hansyerry".

Given his location in the Tulpehocken area in 1725 when only the Schoharie settlers are there, along with the other records that confirm he is in Tulpehocken area from 1725-1744, I am pretty well satisfied that Johann Georg Zeh of Schoharie is Hans Jery Say of Tulpehocken and later George Zeh/Say/See of the South Branch of the Potomac.]

Marriage Records of Dutch Reformed Church, Schoharie 1732-1755 <http://www.bettyfink.com/mdrcsch1.htm> [Note: must be same as Schoharie Ref. Churchbk cited by Jones below? But also note that neither Christian nor Adam Zeh are on this list but from a different church.]

19. 1737 Sept 24: Markus Bellinger, widower and Maria Margareth Zeein, j.d. both living at Hondersfield [Huntersfield] [Note: "in" at the end of the name indicates a daughter or wife of...]

20. 1738 March 3: Johannes Zee, j.m. and Catharina Bellinger both living at Huntersfield,

21. 1738, Dec 27: John Frederick Carel Schel, b. Bissinger, Wirdebergerlant, Germany and Marie Barbara Zee, j.d., b. Schogharie [I couldn't find Huntersfield on Google but did find a Huntersfield State Park and town of Huntersland se of Middleburgh (Weisdorf) both close to Weisdorf where Zehs first located.]

Jones lists 5 marriages of Zeh children that he found in the Schoharie Reformed Churchbook and he believes (but cannot prove) are children of Johannes and Magdalena Zeh. This seems likely since Johannes and Magdalena are the only Zeh family in the area at the time. Assuming the children are at least 18-20 yrs. old, they'd all have been born in Schoharie and are the right ages with possible exception of Christian and Adam. No mention of marriage records for our George but I saw no references to any Tschudi there or in Tulpehocken.

1737 Sept 24: Maria Margaretha Zee md. Marcus Bellinger (Schoharie Reformed Churchbk.)

1738 March 3: Johannes Zee md. Anna Catharina Bellinger (Schoharie Reformed Churchbk.) [Jones lists 8 children with birth dates]

1738 Dec 27: Maria Barbara Zee md Friederich Carl Schell (Schoharie Reformed Churchbk.) [These above 3 are same as those found in Dutch Reformed Church above so I have not given them new numbers.]

22. 1750, April 5: Christian (Zeh) md. Sophia Bellinger (Schoharie Lutheran Churchbk.) {Jones lists 4 children and birthdates. Also gives other references for Christean Sea/Zahe. Christian Zahe d. 13 Sept 1763-(Schoharie Lutheran Churchbk.]

23. 1750 Aug 16: Adam (Zeh) md. Anny Meyer/Meir - An Adam Zahe d. 15 Dec 1771 [both cited in Schoharie Lutheran Churchbk. ]

24. 1744- Johannes Zähe: Schoharie Lutheran Church book-"enrolled on Pastor Sommer's Family List ca 1744" [SSP: I could not find any information on the "list."]

25. 1750. July 7: Death of Johannes Zeh aged 78 yrs. (Schoharie Lutheran Churchbk.) - Jones, Palatine Families p. 1127 [Elsewhere I have seen the exact same date and age attributed to wife Magdalena Zeh.--not sure which is correct.

Sources

  1. Oppenheim Church registers
  2. 2.0 2.1 More Palatine Families by Henry Z. Jones 1991 p. 410
  3. Knittle, Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration
  4. The New York genealogical and biographical record. v.40 (1909). p. 167. Digital Version at Hathitrust

See also:

Of particular interest to the Zeh family:
THE NEW YORK SUBSISTENCE LIST
THE SIMMENDINGER REGISTER
PALATINES WHO MOVED TO THE TULPEHOCKEN VALLEY IN PENNSYLVANIA
Knittle, THE PALATINE SETTLEMENTS ON THE FRONTIER OF THE OLD WEST (Schoharie)
Palatine Heads of Family from Gov Hunter's Ration Lists, Jun 1710-Sep 1714 Lists Johannes ZEHE in the East Camp. p.73 lists the various spellings encountered, including ZEHE-ZEH.
  • Walter Knittle, Ph.D. Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration A British Government Redemptioner Project to Manufacture Naval Stores . Department of History, College of the City of New York. Published Philadelphia, 1937 http://threerivershms.com/knittle.htm
  • Jones, Henry Z. The Palatine Families of New York: A Study of the German Immigrants Who Arrived in Colonial New York in 1710 (2 vols.) (Universal City, California, 1985).
  • Henry Z Jones, Jr., FASG, More Palatine Families, Some Immigrants to the Middle Colonies 1717 – 1776 and their European Origins, Plus New Discoveries on German Families Who Arrived in Colonial New York in 1710 (Rockport, Maine, 1991).
  • Henry Z Jones, Jr., FASG, and Lewis Bunker Rohrbach, CG, Even More Palatine Families: 18th Century Immigrants to the American Colonies and Their German, Swiss, and American Origins, 3 vols. (Camden, Maine, 2002).




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This profile has extensive and excellent documentation, but with sources included in the text, it is a struggle to read. Could we tidy this up, create inline sources and format other sources according to the WikiTree style guide? I am willing to "fix" this profile. I would not remove sources, but I would remove some explanatory text. At a minimum, the source list needs to be bulleted .
posted by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
I'd love it if you would "fix" the documentation! But I would like to keep the Researach Notes for future researchers.

Sara Patton

posted by Sara (Stevens) Patton
edited by Sara (Stevens) Patton
See-865 and Zeh-2 appear to represent the same person because: about dates nearly fit, same location and definitely same wifes (with same death dates), who also have to be merged. Zeh-2 is the far mor reliable profile.
posted by Danny Gutknecht
See-153 and Zeh-2 appear to represent the same person because: Zeh is correct
posted by Dave Rutherford
Zeh-10 and Zeh-2 appear to represent the same person because: Slight variance in dates, but same person & should be merged
posted by Dave Rutherford
Zeh-1 and See-865 do not represent the same person because: Look at the names and dates of birth. You are suggesting to merge the son with

the father. Definitely not the same person

posted on See-865 (merged) by Dee Christophel D'Errico
Zeh-1 and See-865 appear to represent the same person because: .......
posted on See-865 (merged) by Vincent Piazza
I have no idea what Data Doctor report please add references tag even means. The sources are included in the body of the work.
posted by Sara (Stevens) Patton
Data Doctor report please add references tag thank you

Sources <references />

posted by Andrea (Stawski) Pack
Zeh-10 and Zeh-2 do not represent the same person because: Zeh-10 has an undocumented parent which should not become a part of the transaction.
Zeh-10 and Zeh-2 appear to represent the same person because: Same spouse. The death info is consistent. Zeh-10 doesn't have a lot of information (and no sources), but it appears to be intended to represent the same person as Zeh-2, so they should be merged.
posted by Ellen Smith
See-144 and Zeh-2 appear to represent the same person because: Same genealogy. I believe that the 1689 birthdate on See-144 (which happens to be his son's birthdate) is a simple error. Zeh-2 is the German form of the name, and is protected, so it will be the merge destination.
posted by Ellen Smith
UPDATE: I have proposed a merge to Zeh-2. The birthdate is different, but as noted below, I think that was a data entry error on this See-144 profile.

ORIGINAL COMMENTS: See-144 and See-143 are set as father and son, but they both have essentially the same life dates. (Probably a simple error in copying dates at some point.)

Can information (and, ideally, sources) be provided to help clarify who's who so this family can exist in harmony?

Is See-144 supposed to represent the same person as Zeh-2? (Spouse appears to be the same, and the dates on Zeh-2 would be a better fit with the son's dates.)

posted by Ellen Smith

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