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Elizabeth (Bohun) de Arundel (abt. 1350 - 1385)

Elizabeth "Countess of Arundel, Countess of Surrey" de Arundel formerly Bohun aka de Bohun, FitzAlan
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Died at about age 35 in Englandmap
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Biography

Elizabeth (de Bohun) de Arundel was the daughter of William de Bohun, K.G.,1st Earl of Northampton (grandson of Edward I), and his wife Elizabeth de Badlesmere.[1][2][3] Both of Elizabeth's parents were deceased by 1360.[4]

Marriage and Children

After being granted a papal dispensation dated 9 September 1359 (for being fourth degree relatives), Elizabeth married Richard de Arundel, K.G., 11th Earl of Arundel, 10th Earl of Surrey, by license dated 17 October 1359.[1] Elizabeth and Richard had three sons and five daughters:[2]
  • Eleanor, married on/about 28 October 1371 to Robert de Ufford, died without issue, both of them dying about 1375.[1]
  • Richard, eldest son and heir, he was living on 4 March 1392/3 (date of his father's will), but died before his father, sometime before 21 September 1397.[1][2]
  • Elizabeth, born ca. 1371, married first to Sir William de Montagu before December 1378 and they had no issue. She married second to Sir Thomas de Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk, in July 1384 and they had five children. She married third before 19 Aug 1401 to Sir Robert Goushill and they had three daughters. She married fourth before 1408 to Sir Gerald Usflete, no issue.[1][2]
  • Joan, wife of Sir William de Beauchamp, 1st Lord Bergavenny.[1][2]
  • Alice, she married before 4 March 1392/3 to John Cherleton, 4th Lord Cherleton, and they had no children. She is said to have had an affair with Cardinal Henry Beaufort, and had a daughter thereby. Alice died before 13 October 1415.[1][2]
  • William, clerk, born about 1380, presumably died before his father's will was written 4 March 1392/3.[1][2][5]
  • Thomas, K.G., K.B., Earl of Arundel and Surrey, was born 13 October 1381, the second and only surviving son and heir. He married Beatrice of Portugal, reclaimed his father's forfeited title and estates in 1400, but died in October 1415 with only one illegitimate son, John, with an unknown mistress.[1][2]
  • Margaret, born about 1383-1385, legatee in her father's will, married before 1408 to Sir Roland Lenthall and had two sons. She died shortly before 5 May 1423.[1][2]

Legatee

Elizabeth was a legatee in the 1361 will of her uncle, Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex.[1]

Death

Elizabeth died 3 April 1385 and was buried at Lewes Priory, Sussex.[1][2] Her husband Richard later married Philippe Mortimer, widow of John de Hastings,[1] and grand-niece of Elizabeth.
Richard was seized, tried at Westminster and beheaded at Cheapside on 21 September 1397 and was attainted. In October 1400, their son, Thomas, was restored as Earl of Arundel and Surrey.[1]

Research Notes

Richardson cites a chartulary which states that daughters Elizabeth and Joan were twins; also, that the elder sons Richard and William died soon after their father and were succeeded by their younger brother Thomas. The mystery is why daughter Elizabeth seems to have ended up with all the money, at the expense of her sisters who were supposed to get equal shares.

Sources

  1. ↑ 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2011), vol. II, page 190-197, FITZALAN 7.
  2. ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 2.9 Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2013), vol. II, page 610, FITZALAN 12.
  3. ↑ Charles Cawley. Richard FitzAlan, entry in "Medieval Lands" database (accessed 2 Dec 2019).
  4. ↑ Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), vol. I, page 243-245, BOHUN 6.ii.
  5. ↑ Confusion abounds. Wikipedia thinks Richard and William were the same person (citing MedLands, but that is not MedLands's position). MedLands mentions no William, but the only source cited is their father's will. Marlyn Lewis has William as a cleric, deceased before the date of the will (aged 13 or less - not necessarily impossible, but the birthdates are only guesstimates).

See also:

  • Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011). See also WikiTree's source page for Magna Carta Ancestry.
  • Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013). See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.
  • Richardson, Douglas. Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 2nd edition, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, UT: the author 2011), vol. I, page 311 BOHUN 9.ii.
  • Cawley, Charles. "Medieval Lands": A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families © by Charles Cawley, hosted by Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG). See also WikiTree's source page for MedLands.
  • Lewis, Marlyn. Elizabeth de Bohun, entry in "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" database (accessed 2 Dec 2019).
  • Wikipedia: profile of Elizabeth de Bohun.
  • Find A Grave, database and images (accessed 02 Dec 2019), memorial page for Elizabeth de Bohun FitzAlan (1350–3 Apr 1385), Find A Grave: Memorial #101940113, citing Lewes Priory, Lewes, Lewes District, East Sussex, England; Maintained by Anne Shurtleff Stevens (contributor 46947920): unsourced.
  • FamilySearch entry for Elizabeth de Bohun Lady Countess of Arundel and Surrey.

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This profile was re-reviewed 2 Dec 2019 by Traci Thiessen.
Elizabeth is a descendant of Magna Carta Surety Barons John de Lacy, Gilbert de Clare, Richard de Clare, Saher de Quincy and Henry de Bohun in trails badged by the Magna Carta Project to the following Gateway Ancestors:
See Base Camp for more information about Magna Carta trails. See the project's Glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".




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Harold Bullock
Can we agree that Elizabeth de Bohun was unlikely to have been wed at the age of 9 and even more unlikely to have given birth to daughter Eleanor at age 11? I suggest we back up her date of birth to something like 1342 to make logical (and biological) sense.
posted by Harold Bullock
Atkinson-107 John Atkinson
Thanks Harold, but marriages when the two people were very young was quite common in this time period, so a marriage aged 9 was not necessarily unusual. The same seems possible for Eleanor. We don't know her birthdate or her husbands, but his mother Joan de Montagu was born and baptised 2 February 1348/49, which would indicate that Eleanor and Robert de Ufford were also still children when they married.

The source I am using is Cokayne, George Edward, The Complete Peerage: Or a History of the House of Lords and all its Members from the Earlies Times, 2nd ed., vol. 12 (1), edited by Geoffrey H. White (London: St Catherine Press, 1953), pp. 433-4. Digital image, FamilySearch Books (https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/202803-redirection)

posted by John Atkinson
Cayley-55 Michael Cayley
As John says, childhood marriages, especially in the propertied levels of society, were common in medieval times. Sometimes in infancy. Church law governed marriages in this period, and it said that for the church to regard a marriage in early childhood as established, the children had to give signs of consent at an age when they were old enough to have some understanding, and that age came to be regarded as 7, but the marriage itself could take place earlier: and technically the church allowed the children to escape the marriage at puberty if it was not consummated but this rarely happened. The two children giving each other small presents, or exchanging a kiss in the presence of witnesses, might be seen as sufficient to indicate consent. Children would normally be presumed to have given consent to any marriage at age 7 upwards.

Even in the early 18th century there is a record of an English court case relating to the validity of a marriage of children in infancy, though by the 1500s marriage under 12 was much rarer.

posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
Cayley-55 Michael Cayley
To add, Harold, that the the 1361 birth date you refer to, which is for Eleanor‘s daughter of the same name, is a guess by someone, and is likely to be on the early side. One needs to accept that birth dates are often unknown or very uncertain. My own tendency is to round guesstimates to the nearest year ending in 5 or 0 unless there is something to suggest a slightly more precise estimate.
posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
Harold Bullock
I get the child marriages, but I still can't accept the idea of her getting pregnant at the age of 10.
posted by Harold Bullock
Cayley-55 Michael Cayley
Please see what I said about this in my comment. That answers you. The 1361 guessed birth date of Elizabeth's daughter Eleanor is almost certainly wrong, and the date should almost certainly be later. Elizabeth’s own birthdate is a rounded estimate.
posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
Thomson-5441 David Thomson III
I can understand how other people would look at the photo and see in it an expression of the subject of the profile. Wikitree is for everybody, and not just us overly practical types.

This photo is nice in that it is generic and expresses a theme relevant to the time period, and also to the subject of the profile. It is a more expressive form of the generic his and her images provided by Wikitree. It should have been set as the default image to have its proper effect, though.

Perhaps the programmers could setup a custom his and her image that each Wikitree user would see without imposing their preference on everyone else?

posted by David Thomson III
Wood-2151 Robin Wood C.Eng
no problems
posted by Robin Wood C.Eng
Cayley-55 Michael Cayley
Liz, I am sure that is the right thing to do.
posted by Michael Cayley
Noland-165 Liz (Noland) Shifflett
update: hearing none, it's done :D

Any objection to detaching this picture from Bohun-15?

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Wood-2151 Robin Wood C.Eng
CANNOT COMMENT BUT LOOKS MORE ELIZABETHAN
posted by Robin Wood C.Eng
Cayley-55 Michael Cayley
That does not look like 14th century dress or hair style to me - more like Tudor times. Has the image been lifted from https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/101940113/elizabeth-fitzalan which is not a reliable source for the image and gives no info on where the image came from? That is the only other site I have found where this image is associated with her.
posted by Michael Cayley
Noland-165 Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Could y'all take a look at the portrait attached - the previous comment to her profile questions that it is of Elizabeth.

Thanks!

https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Bohun-110

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Mackinnon-507 C. Mackinnon
Whose portrait is that? Surely not Elizabeth de Bohun.
posted by C. Mackinnon

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