Parents of Robert Ryves (Reve) of Dorset

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The goal of this Project is to ... Find the parents of Robert Ryves born around 1490. Right now this project has two members.

Here are some of the tasks that I think need to be done. I'll be working on them, and could use your help.

  • Visiting places that keep documents that are not available online
  • Transcribing the documents
  • Discovering possible families of Robert

Will you join me? Please post a comment here on this page, in G2G using the project tag, or send me a private message. Thanks!

WikiTree profile: Robert Ryves
in Requests for Project Volunteers by Solomon Reeves G2G Rookie (180 points)
edited by Darlene Athey-Hill

2 Answers

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You would  be better off contacting European Aristocrat Project and working with them. Also bear in mind that as a pre1500 profile you will need their cooperation to make any changes.
by Living Poole G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
Robert Ryves was not born into nobility. He was a lord of lands that he bought. He was not 'noble' in the sense of having any noble/hereditary title. Again he was not born a noble.
However it is the project he is managed by
Changes will only be needed when the parents are found. Right now that is not a problem and will never be a problem.
Marion is correct that the EuroAristo project manages his profile.  I added both the EuroAristo and the Pre-1500 tags to your post so others will see it.  Even though the project is named EuroAristo, it covers many pre-1500 profiles...
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Solomon, I really think that this is likely to be an impossible task. Bear in mind that the family itself had no record of where they came from.  The pedigree given by the family to Hutchins in the 18th C  didn't start even as far back as Robert. It's the same in the  16th C when Denis Bond  the Ryves neighbour and relation by marriage drew up his pedigree.(uploaded to the Ryves wills page).

 It was after the reformation and dissolution of the monasteries that many of these families; certainly in Dorset were able to acquire land. In Blandford,  John Swayn, his son in law and the Pitts who intermarried with them  are also prime examples of Dorset mercantile families. There were several such families coming from  relative obscurity and yeoman backgrounds. (Many did very well for themseves and their descendants, buying up land, marrying to consolidate land holdings  and by  sending  sons into the law and the church.The Pitts (Pitt-Rivers)  still hold a lot of land in Dorset.

The  Dorset archives don't appear to hold any thing mentioning them before Robert. It is possible that IPMs of Robert and wife Johan(Jane). would give you some more clues. These are available from the National Archives. They will be in latin and it's pot luck on the condition. You can order a digital image of them from the National Archives. You could also order the records you think might be connected to them from the Somerset Archives.  (Though it might not get done at the moment since the National and also local archives are closed for the foreseeable future). Obviously there are also several  earlier records in the National Archives for people of the same surname but they certainly  weren't all related so trawling through these would take weeks of onsite research . You might find some of these earlier records already digitised on http://aalt.law.uh.edu/ . (You need to search first on the Nat Archives and then use the reference to search on Aalt). You might also ask for opinions as to his origins on https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/soc.genealogy.medieval

I know you feel that the family may have had a French connection and the surname is French  in origin. In the records  Rive, Reve and Ryve were used interchangeably with Reve used for both IPMs that I can find.   It is important to remember that these names  are also derived from  'reeve' which is an English occupational surname.

Sorry to be negative. That's probably  a personal thing, I'm into their roles in local history rather than pure genealogy. I do think it would be more fruitful to get the later generations right. I thorougly agree that using real primary records is important. We, at least, have far better access to wills and parish registers than Childs, the American author of the much cited secondary source, ever did. 

by Helen Ford G2G6 Pilot (471k points)
edited by Helen Ford
I feel he had a Norman connection not a French connection. Again not many Reve families were in the wool trade so it is very possible. But thank you for the information which may be helpful.
I wholly agree with Helen on this Soloman.  I think you will find it a thankless task!  A greater and possibly more productive exercise would be investigating and tryingcto find further evidence that the William Ryves/Reeves who apparently turned up in Virginia was really a son of Timothy Ryves of Oxford - Child's evidence is quite flimsy and circumstantial (to be generous) ... Childs himself concedes that his conclusion 'unfortunately is not susceptible to record proof' and was arrived at by 'inference'.
I already established William Rives was a made up person.
Mercantile enterprise  and shipping (and in Elizabethan times privateering) were the backbone of the early modern economy in Dorset . Locally,  trade with the European mainland flourished because of the ports: Poole, Weymouth, Bridport and Lyme. I've seen evidence that Robert was a merchant (he's styled that in documents)  no doubt about that but he's not associated in this period with Dorchester whose burgesses were mainly involved in woollen fabric manufacture.  The area in which the family are to be found  is Blandford and Shroton in the Blackmore Vale. This area  has been described as the land of the little dairies or the land of the cheese. It is lowland, lots of quite lush grass. This in contrast to the higher chalk downs with very thin soil  on which grazed thousands of sheep.  If their interest was in production then they were not living in the predominant areas of wool production.

Try searching for Reve on the Somerset Archives site. There seem to be some very early records.

Alright I will check it out.

Edit: I checked it out and there is a Richard Reve in 1487 connected to the Rivers/Ryvers/Ryves family of Dunster and Somerset. Maybe Robert does come from that family. It was ruled out because of them not using the Reve variant but it seems I just discovered it. https://somerset-cat.swheritage.org.uk/records/DD/L/P/28/19/5

And Richard Ryves of Childockford going by Rivers!

https://somerset-cat.swheritage.org.uk/records/DD/WY/3/11/10

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