Can anyone help with reading a Danish record?

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I just found a record after upgrading my Ancestry account.  This lists at least three of my ancestors in Denmark.  The links suggested it would be a burial record for Anna Christina Clausen, but it looks like her husband Nicolau Ahlmann, and definitely mentions daughter Anna Maria Ahlmann and her husband Heinrich Carl Wiggers.  Would anyone be able to help me decipher this?  I attached a screen shot and a link to the original online record.
WikiTree profile: Nicolau Ahlmann
in Genealogy Help by Lynn Wiggers G2G6 Mach 1 (18.6k points)
recategorized by Jillaine Smith
I also found what is possibly a baptism record for Anna Maria and attached it to her profile.  It has been very confusing for many years to me that she and her sister were both Anna and had the same birthdate and both immigrated to Franklin Parish Louisiana.  I thought there was only confusion due to the names being the same, but this might possibly be the record of baptism of twins???
Both of the screen shots are written in the German language, not Danish.  It has been a while since I have done much with German records, so I will let someone else take a look at it before I take a stab at it.  If there aren't any takers, I will try later today.  Just a teaser, on the second screen shot, you are right about the girls being twins and their father is a ship captain.
Thanks Gilbert.  I think I have gotten far more than I hoped for.  Bonus for working on Genealogy during the lockdown.

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This is the death record for Nicolay Ahlmann. He died on September 6th and was buried on September 13th 1841 in Sønderborg Parish, Sønderborg County. On the next page in the church book, it says he was 74 years and 24 days old when he died.  

It says he was a legitimate son of Christian Hansen Ahlmann and wife Anna Nissen. He was married twice - first with Anna Christina Clausen, with whom he had 7 children 1) Christian, a ship captain in Copenhagen 2) Hans married to Elise Langemann and with child  Johanna Marianna Malwina 3) Christina Maria 4) Nicolay 5) Anna 6) Anna Maria married to landowner Heinrich Carl Wiggens with child Caroline Antoinette 7) Johanna Dorothea

His second wife was Johanna Dorothea Nielsen.
by Ole Selmer G2G6 Mach 4 (41.5k points)
selected by Lynn Wiggers
Awesome. Thank you (and everyone above). This is very interesting because Anna Maria and Heinrich are my ancestors (married 1839 in Louisiana, USA), and I never knew about a daughter.  She didn't survive to the 1850 US Census, where they only had two sons, so THAT is interesting news.  Anna and Anna Maria are twins, so Anna joins her sister in Louisiana and marries Joachim Abel in 1845.  A Nielsen is living with Anna Maria and Heinrich in 1850.  A lot of pieces fell in place with that, so THANK YOU.

Nicolai passed his examen as mate 19 years old September 16th 1784  in Copenhagen and was first officer until 1824 then skipper - that is captain on the brig Ane Cathrine with his son Christian as first officer. 

Thanks again for that.  

So I know you know how all this works.  Because you were able to identify Anna Maria and Heinrich Carl's daughter, Caroline Antoinette, who did not live to see the 1850 Louisiana Census and was not documented anywhere else, I was able to confirm, when I found the record for Heinrich Carl Wiggers, born to Georg Frederick Wiggers and Caroline Antonette Monrad, 7 Jul 1816, Svendborg.  I was looking for his parents in Mecklenberg Schwerin, finding more Wiggers families in Lubeck and Travemunde, Hamburg.   Other family members had come up with those solutions but no documentation for it.  

So now H. C. Wiggers, who has been a lifetime brickwall for many of my family, named his children Caroline Antoinette Wiggers, for his mother, and Nicolau Ahlmann Wiggers for his father in law and H.C. Jr for himself. 

Would you kindly, when you have time, look at this record and tell me what else you might be able to learn from it that would lead me to the next generation?

Then congratulations with your findings. It says that Henrich Carl Wiggers was born July 7th and baptized July 14th . 

The father Georg Friderich Wiggers -xxxxx was Krigs Assessor og Controlleur in Ekernsund. Krigsassessor was a degree under a war councilor - I can¨t find the English word for his position.  The mother Caroline Antoinette Monrad can you find here  Her father could be the local priest; I will check tomorrow. 
The godfathers are the local dignitaries.

EDIT:

Ekernsund must be Egernsund, a parish close to Sønderborg. 

Yes, Frederik Carl Monrad was the local priest, as you can see from the digitized Wibergs Præstehistorie.

Wiberg used a lot of abbreviations, but I will translate: He was appointed priest in Bregninge October 14 1778 and came from Århus Catedral.  He was first resident chaplain in Vig Asminderup, where he was appointed September 14 1774 and ordained October 7. He was born in Hillerød September 24 1745, student from Nykjøbing 1764 and cand. theol. 1768. Married October 14 1774 in Ejby to Ulrikke Antonette Sletting from Ejby Dalby vicarage. She was born February 24 1748 and died in Bregninge September 28 1808. 2 sons and 2 daughters with the son Hans Christian Monrad a priest in Mern. FCM died May 10 1823. He is mentioned in Personalhistorisk Tidsskrift (Journal) in 1982 p. 87 under Sletting. 

Btw, when do you use priest and when vicar? Also rectory or vicarage? He was a Lutheran.

I have no guess on the religious terminology distinctions.  

I just found Georg Frederick Wiggers and second wife Catherine Bøjsen Wiggers in California in 1860 with Harrold Wiggers b. 1824.  They arrived in New Orleans Louisiana in 1854. 

Is there a census record in Schleswig (this is where they tell the US Census they came from in 1860) that would show the children of Georg and his second wife to let me know if Harrold is a half brother to my ggggf Heinrich, and are there other half siblings? And what happened to Peter Ephraim, full brother?

I apologize for all the Ancestry links, but this is where I research stuff and when I have the facts straight, I put them in WikiTree.  

  

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1860usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=2682636

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61607&h=618626103&ssrc=pt&tid=120874239&pid=332181530726&usePUB=true

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/120874239/person/332181530726/facts

The church books, census, etc. from Denmark and also some from Schleswig-Holstein are online and free to search at Danish Family Search. You just should register and maybe sign the personal data act with records for less than 110 years.

Georg Frederik Wiggers was in Husum in 1835 with 2nd wife Catharina Maria Henningsen widowed Boysen and their children Henning Friederich, Caroline Antoinette and Harald, that is his Danish name. They must be half-brothers and half-sister to Henrich Carl. Hans Peter Boysen is her son from her first marriage.

I can't find them in the 1840 census, but In 1845 they were living in Bredsted and Hans Peter Boysen and Harald were at sea. Harald born in Eckernförde, Schleswig. 

The links you sent are behind a paywall except for the Danish marriage record, so I can't see them and I havn¨t heard anything about Peter Ephraim before.

Thank you, I will do as you recommend for the Danish Family Search and I am most grateful for link and those details to help me get started. I wasn't aware of that resource but I think I'll be spending a lot of time there in the very near future.  I found Peter's record, he died age 2, 1820.  

Just as an interesting note, in the Holbek site you shared, when translated to English by Google, the Danish word for Father becomes Sheep.  That entertains me when I'm a bit stumped.  :-)

I wasn't aware of the faulty translation of far to sheep but have noticed Goggle translate about it. The word far means dad, fader means father but får with the special Danish letter å pronounced like in awesome means sheep. In older days it was written with a double a - like in Aabenraa. 

At the Holbek site you can choose a language in the upper right corner, but of course not so entertainingsmiley

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I believe this is the death record for Nicolai Ahlmann who died 6 Sept. 1841 in Aabenraa,  Sønderborg parish. He was 74 years old and born around 1767 in Sonderborg, not Skanderborg - they are far apart. Makes sense, since his son Christian was born in 1802 and couldn't have a father born in 1794. The Nicolai Ahlmann from Skanderborg is most likely a different person. The 1803 Census for Als-sonder, Sonderborg shows him and wife Anna Christina (born 1778 not 1787) living with her mother Christina Maria Claussen, a widow. His son Christian is also there (1 year old). The death record in your screen shot shows his father, his wife, and his children.

by Richard Lindblom G2G6 Mach 1 (19.0k points)

Found a Nicolai (almost looks like Niclas) born 13 Aug 1767 in Als-Sonder to Christian Hansen Ahlmann, who is mentioned in your screen shot for Nicolai - that is his father: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/ao/opslag15240508

Here is Anna Christina Claussen's birth record. Born 22 Sept 1778 to Hans Clausen and Christina Maria Kriegsmann.

https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/ao/opslag15240561

Thank you so much for all that research.  I had looked at most of those records and still wasn't sure I had them sorted out correctly, but a few of those details were beyond what I had even seen.
I have never seen any name spelled as many ways as this Nicolau.  The one that I have personal knowledge of is Nicolau Ahlmann Wiggers, grandson of this Nicolau, who was my grandfather's grandfather.  He called him Papa Nick and said he spoke with a thick accent (although born in the US).  Most people called him N.A.  I researched him a few years ago and found everything from what I have listed to Nicholas to NcCloy, but never spelled the same way twice.  :-)  Between nonstandardized spelling, language barrier, and semi-literate pioneers, I'm amazed I got this far.  I deeply appreciate your help.
Glad to help.  Gotta do something during this pandemic! Might as well do some genealogy.
That's kinda where I was when I woke up with a little pandemic economic anxiety at 3 AM this morning.  Channel that energy somewhere else.  :-)
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I don't see any replies about the second screen shot, so here is what it says: Anna Ahlmann and Anna Marie Ahlmann, twins, of the ship captain Nicolau Ahlmann, and his wife Anna Christina born Clausen legitimate children.

Godparents of Anna Ahlmann

Maria Lorentzen

Anna Ida Karberg

Thomas Boysen

Godparents of Anna Maria Ahlmann

Anna Maria Ahlmann

Johanna Dorothea Friedrichsen

Gerhardt Olsen (or Olzen - it looks more like a "z" than an "s")
by Gilbert Nelson G2G6 Mach 1 (12.4k points)
Awesome.  Thank you.
Yes; it is Olzen

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