George Rowe married Helen Pearce, Cornwall UK my gg grandparents - please advise where to find, possible emigrated to NZ

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in The Tree House by Mary Tisdall G2G1 (1.1k points)

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Have you tried familysearch.org it’s a free site?
by Marion Poole G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
I have unsuccessfully looked on Family Search Marion
You have 2 Helen Pearce’s who will need merging.

At some time New Zealand was ‘governed’ by New South Wales, Australia, not sure when that changed
Thank you Marion -I will edit the information I have been given and try merging - Mary
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Hi Mary if you could provide possible Dates I can have a look on Find my past for you I have full Access. at the moment I have 378 results for George Rowe. It would help if you can provide DOB and date possible traveled?
by Frank Byrne G2G2 (2.9k points)
Thank you Frank - can only guess dates - have death certificate for his son James Allan Rowe, died 1913 - this shows George and Helen (Pearce) as parents George listed as Blacksmith of Cornwall. The death certificate for James shows he has been in NZ 50 years so must have come here as 10 yo with his parent(s) - I have hit a blank wall - maybe George remarried? Thank you, Mary
Hi Mary.

I have Found a DOD register for James in 1913 age 60 Reg No 1913/2400 his DOB is down as 1853 does this match with info you have?
Hi Again Mary.

I have found some thing strange in Births search on find my past for a James Allen Rowe.

DOB 1852 Mothers Maiden Name Allen. Redruth Cornwall.

Volume 5C Page 310

I can not find a marriage record for George and a female called Allen.

I have found a Marriage record for a George Rowe Married a Mary Ann Pearse in1855 in Redruth. Volume No 5c Page No 464

Hope this helps.

Byrne-2556 Frank
Thank you Frank - I am so very grateful for your help -that is wonderful information, Mary
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Do you have any dates? Of birth and marriage?

Also full names? Middle names were often used on the death records in New Zealand.

I cannot find any records specifically of Helen and George Rowe In NZ

I have found lots of George Rowes and lots of Helen Rowes, but none of them are together as a couple.
by Robynne Lozier G2G6 Pilot (941k points)
Thank you Robynne - nothing except his sons' my gggrandfathers death certificte - he died 1913.
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So in the 1861 Census in Cornwall - there is a family that might be the ones you want.

They are living in Vyvian Row in Parish of Camborne, Cornwall, and all born in Camborne
George Rowe, Head, married, age 40, Blacksmith
Mary Ann Rowe, wife, age 37
Thomas Pearce, son in law, age 17, unmarried, Miner
Charles Davey Pearce, son in law, age 14, Miner
Elizth Jane Pearce, daughter in law, age 11, Scholar
James Rowe, son, age 9, Scholar
Mary Ann Pearce, daughter in law, age 8, Scholar.

My reading of this would be that James is son of George by a previous marriage, and the Pearce children are the children of Mary Ann by a previous marriage and George's step children.  Cornwall OPC does have children by this name baptised in Camborne, children of William and Mary Ann Pearce.

 Couldn't find a marriage for George Rowe and Mary Ann Pearce in Cornwall OPC, but in FreeBMD there is a marriage registered in Dec 1855 in Redruth District (Camborne is in this district) between George Rowe and Mary Ann Pearse

It wouldn't be the first time that someone filling in a death certificate has got confused on some of the details and Pearce was the surname of his James, step-mother not his mother?
by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (482k points)
Thank you John that information is very much appreciated - I have records of George Rowe and Mary Ann both being buried in Timaru but his death certificate with Helen Pearce as his wife and mother of James confused me - I will look into this - Mary
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There are records on Ancestry for James Allan Rowe.

Father George, mother Mary Anne
by Eddie King G2G6 Pilot (599k points)

New Zealand, Death Index, 1848-1966

Name: George Rowe
Death Date: 1900 - Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Place: Timaru, Auckland, New Zealand
Folio Number: 1763
Household Members:
Name Age
George Rowe
Source Citation: New Zealand, Death Index, 1848-1966

New Zealand, Death Index, 1848-1966

Name: Mary Ann Rowe
Death Date: 1896 - Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Place: Timaru, Otago, New Zealand
Folio Number: 2152
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Rowe
Source Citation: New Zealand, Death Index, 1848-1966

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915

Name: Mary Ann Pearse
Registration Year: 1855
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Redruth
Parishes for this Registration District: Redruth
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 464
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Pearse
George Rowe
Edward Webb
Catherine Williams
Source Information:
FreeBMD. England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.

George Rowe was her second husband. She married William Pearce

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915

Name: Marianne Davey
Registration Year: 1844
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Redruth
Parishes for this Registration District: Redruth
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 9
Page: 260
Household Members:
Name Age
Anne Bennetts
Anne Bonds
Marianne Davey
Johnson Glanville
Elizabeth Nancarrow
William Pearce
Henry Rodda
William Rowe
Eliza Vivian
Source Information:
FreeBMD. England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.

Her family

1841 England Census

Name: Charles Davey
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Camborne
Hundred: Penwith
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Camborne
Piece: 141
Book: 2
Folio: 45
Page number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Davey 35
Jane Davey 35
Mary Davey 15
Jane Davey 15
Elizabeth Davey 12
Caroline Davey 8
Jakiw Davey 6
Susan Davey 3

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 141; Book: 2; Civil Parish: Camborne; County: Cornwall; Enumeration District: 5; Folio: 45; Page: 11; Line: 10; GSU roll: 241263

Her mother's maiden name was Dunstone

also listed as Jenefer Dunstone Davey
her Pearce children all came to New Zealand

Thomas, Charles, Elizabeth. Mary Anne
George Rowe was the son of George Rowe and Grace Edwards

1861 England Census

Name: George Rowe
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Rowe
Gender: Male
Where born: Camborne, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Camborne
Ecclesiastical parish: Camborne St Martin
Town: Camborne
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Camborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 95
Piece: 1583
Folio: 160
Page number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
George Rowe 40
Mary Ann Rowe 37
Thomas Pearce 17
Charles Davey Pearce 14
Elizth Jane Pearce 11
James Rowe 9
Mary Ann Pearce 8

Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 1583; Folio: 160; Page: 18; GSU roll: 542835

Source Information:

James's wife Caroline Vye was 

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917

Name: Caroline Vye
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1852
Baptism Place: Paddington Green St Mary Westminster, England
Father: William Vye
Mother: Caroline Vye
Register Type: Parish Registers
Household Members:
Name Age
Caroline Vye
Caroline Vye
William Vye
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives; London, England; Reference Number: p87/mry/032

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Name: Caroline Hutchins
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 27 May 1844
Marriage Place: Saint James,Paddington,London,England
Father: Charles Hutchins
Spouse: William Vye
FHL Film Number: 579638
Household Members:
Name Age
William Vye
Philip Vye
Caroline Hutchins
Charles Hutchins
Source Information:
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Ancestry.com. England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014

New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007

Name: Caroline Rowe
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: 1854
Death Date: 30 Jun 1927
Death Place: Dunedin
Burial Place: Otago, Dunedin
Cemetery: Northern
Household Members:
Name Age
Caroline Rowe
Source Citation: New Zealand Society of Genealogists Incorporated; Auckland, New Zealand; New Zealand Cemetery Records

New Zealand, Marriage Index, 1840-1937

Name: Caroline Vye
Marriage Year: 1872
Marriage Place: New Zealand
Spouse: James Rowe
Folio Number: 1690
Household Members:
Name Age
James Rowe
Caroline Vye
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. New Zealand, Marriage Index, 1840–1937 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Thank you Eddie I appreciate very much your help - I have some of that information but found the death certificate very confusing - my IT skills not great so that doesn't help, Mary
probably just a clerical error

registrar may have had a lot of reported deaths to certify

and just glanced at the wrong one

it would have been winter

a lot of Australian soldiers were lost in the

battles of the Boer War that winter

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