Why I use Ancestry links...

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Hello! Please consider using ancestry links to actual primary sources/images. It is easy to share free images for everyone to view using these easy instructions:

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/792811/creating-a-free-to-view-image-link-from-ancestry-com?show=792811#q792811

Now that I know how to do this, I am converting all my (behind the pay wall) Ancestry document/photo links to free links, so everyone can see my Ancestry sources. I included an example profile where I used the Ancestry “sharing” link.

Are there many Ancestry users here? I hope this helps other people too!

Missy smiley

Additional NOTE: The free link ONLY takes you to the page you are on, so if you are wanting to save a multi-page will, this is NOT the way to go. In this case, I suggest including a free link to the first page IN ADDITION TO the truncated “interactive” link. So someone who wants to read the will can page through it. You can NOT page through the “sharing” link.

WikiTree profile: Restore Shinn
in WikiTree Tech by Missy Berryann G2G6 Pilot (218k points)
edited by Missy Berryann
Possibly dumb question - what happens when the links eventually become invalid?
Mike, the same thing that happens to any other links that go bad.

Links should not replace source citations, but supplement.
Dennis, exactly. I include every part of the Ancestry source citation in addition to the link.
Hi Missy!

I really like the idea, because #1 I am right now looking at French documents. BUT is it legal?

Wendy Jones-21849
As Kerry Larson pointed out in comments section of the provided link: Once you're clicked on the Ancestry sharing link, if you select "Twitter" rather than "Facebook", Ancestry will provide a shortened URL which you can just copy and use directly in your citation.  I too worry that these "shared links" will stop working at some point, so I also include the relevant details from the record.
Some of these familysearch.org links can go bad as well - for example, they simply get deleted. Most people just copy and paste the "source citation" provided by them, so that seems problematic. Also have you actually looked at what info is in that provided citation? It doesn't always include all the complete info provided by the actual source.  

Also are public govt record scans copyrighted? If not, is there any reason one couldn't simply crop the relevant scanned section and attach that to a profile?
Census records, for example, aren't and cannot be copyright.  Nor can the information contained within them. But Ancestry can and does retain reproduction rights to the images they've made available on their site.

Yes, I've run across FHL census images that have disappeared for whatever reason.  I have no idea what's going on with that, but it is certainly disconcerting.  At least, the FHL citations generally contain sufficient information to allow a researcher to find the same record/information elsewhere.

Wendy,

The sharing links go to a page hosted by Ancestry, so assuming that they hold the image legally, there can't be anything illegal about them sharing it on their own site.

Others, 

Regarding the persistence of links, there's no guarantee that the Ancestry sharing links won't go dead sometime.  That's a reason to also use the Ancestry External Link Template.

FamilySearch records that have "ark" in the URL are designed to be persistent.  ARK stands for Archival Resource Key.  FamilySearch says, "When a persistent identifier is provided for a resource, it means that FamilySearch has made a long-term commitment to maintain that identifier. This means that requests for the resource using the persistent identifier will always resolve to that resource."  https://www.familysearch.org/developers/docs/guides/persistent-identifiers  HOWEVER, what's happening with alarming frequency is that FamilySearch is withdrawing images and sometimes even the indexed page.  They claim this happens to comply with license restrictions imposed by the records custodian.  So even though a URL with the ARK designator should remain valid, it doesn't mean that the information on the other end of it will still be there.

(I don't actually have anything to say. I just wanted to wave at Bill Feidt.) devil

Hi Kerry, I've never done the "sharing" thing off Ancestry, so will give it a try. I was planning on leaving Ancestry, but will give it more time to get all of my tree moved and it is also very useful for finding people, just a lot of work because there can be quite a few trees instead of "our" one world tree. :)
This works great! The only problem I have is that sometimes you can’t read it. As stated below census records are public, why can’t you just download it to your computer save it and share it that way? Especially if it’s one that has a full family in it.
You should not upload to wikitree a document downloaded from ancestry.  Doing so is a copyright violation and violation of Ancestry.com's usage agreement.

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Best answer

For Ancestry citations, I would suggest trying Greg Clarke's Ancestry Citation Builder at https://apps.wikitree.com/apps/clarke11007/ancite.php.  It will truncate any of the extraneous information from a sharing link.  Also note that for indexed entries, it's not necessary to open the image to find the sharing link.  On the index page, select the Share↓ button in the upper right and then choose Twitter (example page).

The Ancestry Citation Builder will also help create the Ancestry External Link Template.  I suggest including it in citations because the additional information is valuable to Ancestry subscribers and to those using Ancestry at a library or Family History Center.  There's no way (that I know of) to get from a shared image to an indexed page.  The purpose of the Ancestry External Link Template is to redirect to the correct page if Ancestry ever changes their link format again.

by Kerry Larson G2G6 Pilot (235k points)
selected by Marian Matha
Thanks for drawing attention to this page - did not know it existed. Thanks!
Wonderful! Thank you for sharing this.

Happy to help.  I should have included an example (#4):  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hoban-128#_note-missing

Original G2G thread for anyone having questions about the Ancestry Citation Builder:  https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/942815/app-for-creating-ancestry-citations

Good to know, thanks for sharing.  I didn't realize that this was available to us WTree'ers.
+11 votes
Thanks Missy, I'm going to add that link to browser.
by Richard Devlin G2G6 Pilot (506k points)
Richard, you are very welcome. I know I had to share it. So many people have such issues with Ancestry sources, but lots of them are primary and/or well sourced secondary sources that are worth using and citing. If the links go to a free page, then there should be no issue with the good Ancestry sources. Thanks!
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Here's something to note: I am using Ancestry through the library (they've opened it up to use at home during the pandemic), and there are no Sharing links available on either the record page or the image page.

I'm not super familiar with Ancestry. Is there generally a sharing link on all of the pages if you're signed in with a paid subscription?
by Julie Ricketts G2G6 Pilot (486k points)
Not on all pages.
Great question, Julie. Do you see three buttons on the right side of the screen when you are viewing an image? The top one is an arrow pointing left. That opens up all the source information. The one below that looks like two tools in an X. You click that one. (The next one down is the slider for enlarging or reducing the size of the image.) A little menu pops up. You will see “Share” as the third one down.

Does this help at all?
Hi, Missy --

I did see all the buttons you described, but the option for sharing isn't on the tools menu. :-/

No biggie ... I just copied the citation, and maybe someday this collection will be available for the world to see.

Hi Julie,

You are correct.  There are no sharing links from Ancestry Library edition or Ancestry Institution edition (FHC).  However, here are a couple of useful things you can do from those versions.

1) You can create an Ancestry External Link Template for both the index page and the image that would be useful to subscribers.  Example library URL:  https://search.ancestrylibrary.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=9277&h=23159653.  To get to the Index (Record) page, enter this in Wikitree:  {{Ancestry Record|9277|23159653}}.  For the image page, https://www.ancestrylibrary.com/interactive/9277/42962_162028006055_0336-00238, enter this in Wikitree:  {{Ancestry Image|9277|42962_162028006055_0336-00238}}.  The formatting is all the same as the subscription edition as the URL is almost identical.

It's also very easy to go the other direction, to use a Ancestry subscriber's link to find the same page while using the library version.

2) You can also share the indexed page, although it will be in a different format.  On the Library page is a Send document button.  If you use that to send the document to your email address, you will have an Ancestry page called "My Discoveries".  On that page will be "Printer Friendly" links.  Those links are shareable.  Here's an example:  https://www.ancestry.com/inst/discoveries/PfRecord?emailId=N-5a05964a-6975-425a-a579-39d612affa46&collectionId=61389&recordId=1639125&ahsht=2017-05-18T17:46:41&language=en-US&ahsh=3394b9007180c073dac114e4636c1010.  That link has been live for three years now

Julie, oh ok. I am glad Kerry posted with a solution to that issue.

Very cool, Kerry! Thank you for sharing!

Julie, 

 I just copied the citation, and maybe someday this collection will be available for the world to see.”

Did you still include a link? I personally feel we should always include links whether they are behind a pay wall or a library. Kerry’s example above is the biggest reason. Anyway, even if most may not be able to see the document, some will.

Thank you, Kerry and Missy ... I added the external link template.

And, Missy, I agree ... I provide as much information as I'm able when I cite a source. :-) Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention!
+6 votes
I may be old school (or maybe it's because I'm just old), but I usually make a hard copy of the source, like census page, birth, marriage or death citation or certificate, etc.  I keep a file on each of my ancestors in my tree.  Makes for a nice family book.  If Ancestry looses a link or deletes it, I have that copy for reference.  I know, I know, that takes a lot of paper and ink, but I will still have the source and citation long after the link is gone.
by Sharon Hinshaw-Payne G2G6 Mach 1 (18.3k points)
I take photos of my documents (using my iPhone or iPad) and screenshots of online documents and have them saved in folders.
Do you have a foolproof plan for the future? When I am no longer here all my hard copies will go to the tip. They won't be burned, too much like hard work.
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Links, like any kind of reference, can and will at some point get lost. The same with reference to books, which can disappear, or public records, which can be destroyed by fire, flood, war, mushrooms. The same with your family records, paper, hard drives etc. Even cast in stone, records are bound to crumble into dust at some point.

Life has invented the solution to this issue more than three billion years ago. Individuals are transient, but the code never dies. Just duplicate, duplicate, duplicate. Some copy will survive, and be copied. With errors, but that's life. All-proof concept, as the current crisis shows to those not aware of it before.

I was working yesterday on the records for my ancestor Marie Poulisac (1747-1822). She lost her father at three, her mother at four (found died at the bottom of a well), and just a month after her unique living brother died, eight years old. Orphan with no siblings, in the poor and harsh conditions of her place, time and social extraction (poor farmers in the heart of Brittany), her chances of life were grim. But she grew, married, had children and certainly hundreds if not thousands of descendants today, including one writing here and now about her, over two centuries later. 

So, don't be afraid of memory being lost. Copy, copy, copy.

by Bernard Vatant G2G6 Pilot (171k points)
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This strikes me as unethical.
by J. Crook G2G6 Pilot (228k points)
Not that Ancestry is an ethical company.  They care not at all about copyright, for example.

The links are provided by Ancestry for the specific purpose of being shared publicly:  "Share records from Ancestry® via email, Facebook, and Twitter, or get a shareable link to send however you'd like. When you share a record, other people don't need a subscription to see it."  https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/Ancestry-on-Facebook-Twitter-1460088953615

Thank you, Kerry!!
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This is a incredibly useful tool and probably the best of it's type I have used on Wikitree, and as to 'uploading Ancestry documents', I am not uploading anything, only pointing to location where the data is stored, and then Ancestry is displaying what I pointed to.   Cheers to Greg Clarke for creating this.  Thank you Missy for reminding me this existed.   I had put it in my 'must look at' and promptly forgot about it.

by Joe Patterson G2G6 Mach 1 (15.1k points)

Hello Joe,

First, I absolutely love how you typed my name! wink

Second, you are very welcome. I know it excited me, because I have used ancestry for years. It has great primary and reliable secondary sources that FamilySearch does not have. I did not like that in order to see an image on Ancestry, someone has to pay. Grrrr... So I love that Ancestry has allowed us to share images with the rest of the world. Ancestry is not a “four letter word,” in my book! laugh

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