Forby Sutherland, 250 years since his burial.

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It is 250 years today (2nd May) since Forby Sutherland, a crewman on HMS Endeavour, was buried whilst the ship was at Botany Bay, New South Wales (as it is known today).  The first British citizen to die on what is now Australian soil and the first European to die in what is now New South Wales.  I'd love to see him connected (hint, hint).
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He died in New Holland.

The Dutch navigator, Willem Janszoon, actually named it Nieu Zeland on 26th February 1606, which is earlier than the New Holland name.

Nieu Zeland was not formally adopted for that part of the Gulf of Carpentaria.

It was New Holland until Cook proclaimed it as New Wales and later as New South Wales.


Thanks, Les. I've edited the post. Regards, Ken
And where was the boundary between "New Holland" and "New Zealand"?  New Zealand as we know it  today was a part of the original colony of New South Wales.  Before 1901, it was a member of the Federal Council of Australasia, which was dissolved to make way for the Commonwealth.  Presumably New Zealand was by then a separate entity. It makes all these naming issues pretty irrelevant.  There was no international body to define international questions, as there is today.

I came here in one of my complaining moods after seeing a spruik for Wikitree+.  A sloppy researcher on had a tree that said I was related to the Scottish aristocracy.  I knew that it was wrong, and a colleague on Wikitree helped me find the false link.  But now Wikitree+ says that I am related to every Scottish king that ever was.  Maybe I should inform the guy from  I have acquaintances who claim descent from Edward III (100 years before Richard III,) Julius Caesar, even Adam.  Genealogy is about lines of descent, not geography.

 Nor is it about DNA.  A fellow Wikitreer claimed relationship to my wife.  I gave her a complete family tree which confirmed what she said, but she wouldn't believe it without DNA from my wife, who isn't interested.  I have found DNA to be the greatest red herring of genealogy.  I have seen only one post from a person who didn't have the cart before the horse.  He wrote that DNA is a tool to find potentiasl relatives, who then must be linked in by proper research.  To paraphrase Euclid, there is no "royal road" to genealogy.  But Wiktree believes that BDMs are not the best evidence, nor is Wikitree's favorite source, Wikipedia.  In the case of a relative of a friend of mine, a prominent M.P. from my home towh, who was also a professional cyclist, Wikitree told me to disbelieve the family's Death notice, the BDMs and Wikipedia, and prefer an inaccurate date on a statue, because it required a minimum of "elbow-grease." "If the data disagrees with the hypothesis, discard the data."
I hear what you're saying, Doug. Neither do I have any time for DNA testing.  I still think DNA stands for the National Dyslexic Assocation.  I agree with you that people are putting the cart before the horse.  And yes, naming issues are largely irrelevant.

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First name(s) Forby

Last name Sutherland

Sex Unknown

Age 29

Muster year 1768

Birth year 1739

Birth parish Orkness

Birth county Orkney

Birth country Scotland

Enlistment year -

Muster date ? May 1768

Ship name Endeavour

Location -

Ship name or location (as transcribed) Endeavour

Record type Ship muster books


The National Archives

Series ADM 36

Series description Admiralty muster books (series 1)

Date range June 1768-Sep. 1772

Archive reference ADM 36/8569

Record set British Royal Navy, Ships' Musters

Category Armed Forces & Conflict

Subcategory Regimental & Service Records

Collections from Great Britain, UK None

© Findmypast

by Marion Poole G2G Astronaut (1.1m points)
selected by Kenneth Evans
Name: Forbes Sutherland
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 13 Dec 1736
Baptism Place: Stromness,Orkney,Scotland
Father: Alexr. Sutherland
Mother: Anne Brown
FHL Film Number: 0990514, 0990515, 990514

Source Information Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Operations, Inc., 2014.

Original data: Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.

Thanks, Marion.

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