Agnes (Kempe) Birdsall appears to be descended from Edward I of England.

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Edward I is the 10th great grandfather of Agnes

1. Agnes is the daughter of William Kempe [unknown confidence]
2. William is the son of Thomas Kempe MP [unknown confidence]
3. Thomas is the son of Eleanor (Browne) Kempe [confident]
4. Eleanor is the daughter of Robert Browne [unknown confidence]
5. Robert is the son of Eleanor (FitzAlan) Browne [unknown confidence]
6. Eleanor is the daughter of Thomas FitzAlan [confident]
7. Thomas is the son of Elizabeth (Despenser) FitzAlan [unknown confidence]
8. Elizabeth is the daughter of Edward (Despenser) le Despenser KG [confident]
9. Edward is the son of Edward (Despenser) le Despenser [confident]
10. Edward is the son of Eleanor (Clare) la Zouche [unknown confidence]
11. Eleanor is the daughter of Joan (Plantagenet) de Clare [confident]
12. Joan is the daughter of Edward (Plantagenet) of England [confident]
This makes Edward I the tenth great grandfather of Agnes.

WikiTree profile: Agnes Birdsall
in Genealogy Help by Anonymous Dudley G2G4 (4.1k points)
edited by Anonymous Dudley
Please share any compelling evidence proving or disproving her connection to Edward I of England.
Have you checked out all the sources? I stepped through this lineage, and each step has numerous sources, some are well respected, such as Richardson’s numerous works on medieval genealogy, but others seem pretty cryptic and are worth verifying. It seems the information to answer your query may be here, but some of the notes suggest work is needed.

My suggestion would be to download this family tree as a gedcom, and generate a report that attaches all the sources to the relevant facts, and reviews the data at each step of the way.

I would do this only for the line of descent (ie, a “register” report) from Edward I to Agnes Kemp.

If you decide to do this be prepared for a lot of work just to format the report, and this is before reviewing any of the sources. Reviewing the sources would include reviewing the sources in the cited references (in selected cases) as well.

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The 'problem' starts right at the beginning -- with Agnes.  Her parents are unknown, yet she has been attached to William Kempe and his wife Agnes Giles.  As noted on Agnes' profile in 2018, no connection has been located to connect her to them.  I would recommend that she be detached from the parents with a note on her biography.

The 1589 baptism of an Agnes Kempe with father named William is in Surrey, England, which is not William (son of Thomas, MP).

Since her parentage has never been proven, we don't have to disprove it!
by Darlene Athey-Hill G2G6 Pilot (401k points)
selected by Carol Baldwin
And the claimed birth location is 143 miles from the marriage location.

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