Confusion over two Benjamin Barrett's born in Norfolk.

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I have asked about this before & we thought that we had it sorted.  There were two Benjamin Barrett's born in Norfolk in 1801 & 1802. They both married Mary Anne's (Nightingale & Brock ) Benjamin #1 has no birth records on Family Search but Benjamin #2 has ( Garboldisham ) Can anyone assist please as my Barrett line above Benjamin Barrett is about to be demolished if I am wrong. I do not have access to the paid sites ( Ancestry etc)

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Brian, when you ask for help like this, it would be very beneficial to include the profiles you are asking about. When you make it easier for us to have a place to begin, you are more likely to get help! There are several Benjamins born around the same time. I find Barrett-9581, but darned if I can identify the other. Would you furnish that profile ID, please?

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There is no wikitree profile for Ben that married Brock

Ben that married Nightingale

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Barrett-9581

There are no sources on this profile

only "Ancestry trees"

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Norfolk, England, Transcripts of Church of England Baptism, Marriage and Burial Registers, 1600-1935

Name:	Benjamin Barrett
Gender:	Male
Record Type:	Marriage
Marriage Date:	1 Jan 1820
Marriage Place:	Norfolk, England
Spouse:	Mary Ann Nightengale
Household Members:	Name Age Benjamin Barrett Mary Ann Nightengale

Source Citation: Norfolk Record Office; Norwich, Norfolk, England; Norfolk Church of England Registers; Reference: BT ANW 1820_t-y

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England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980

Name:	Benjamin Barret
Gender:	Male
Christening Age:	0
Birth Date:	1 Nov 1798
Christening Date:	3 Nov 1798
Christening Place:	Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:	3553
Father:	Thomas Barret
Mother:	Mary Woolard
Search Photos:	Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Household Members:	Name Age Mary Woolard Thomas Barret Benjamin Barret

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2008.

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Norfolk, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1940

Name:	Benjamin Barrett
Gender:	Male
Marriage Date:	1 Jan 1820
Marriage Place:	Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Search Photos:	Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:	7445
Spouse:	Mary Ann Nightingale
Household Members:	Name Age Benjamin Barrett Mary Ann Nightingale

Source Citation: Norfolk Record Office; Norwich, Norfolk, England; Reference: PD 28/73

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England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1988

Name:	Mary Woolard
Gender:	Female
Marriage Date:	11 Nov 1796
Marriage Place:	Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Spouse:	Thomas Barrett
Search Photos:	Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Household Members:	Name Age Thomas Barrett Mary Woolard

Source Citation: Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England; Collection: St Nicholas; -; Date Range: 1794 - 1801; Film Number: 1526456

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The Ben that married Brock

Norfolk, England, Bishop's Transcripts, 1579-1935

Name:	Benjamin Barrett
Gender:	Male
Record Type:	Marriage
Marriage Date:	15 Nov 1824
Marriage Place:	Norwich, Norfolk, England
Spouse:	Mary Brock
FHL Film Number:	1471001
Household Members:	Name Age Benjamin Barrett Mary Brock

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Norfolk, England, Bishop's Transcripts, 1579-1935 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.

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The Ben that married Brock

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name:	Benjamin Barrett
Gender:	Male
Baptism Date:	17 Aug 1802
Baptism Place:	Garboldisham, Norfolk, England
Father:	Thomas Barrett
Mother:	Elizabeth Stebbing Barrett
FHL Film Number:	2262533
Reference ID:	item 17
Household Members:	Name Age Benjamin Barrett Elizabeth Stebbing Barrett Thomas Barrett

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.

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Norfolk, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1990

Name:	Benjamin Barrett
Age:	85
Birth Date:	1800
Burial Date:	21 Aug 1885
Burial Place:	Garboldisham, Norfolk, England
Search Photos:	Garboldisham, Norfolk, England
Household Members:	Name Age Benjamin Barrett

Source Citation: Norfolk Record Office; Norwich, Norfolk, England; Reference: PD 197/8

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DEATH OF THE BEN THAT MARRIED NIGHTINGALE

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915

Name:	Benjamin Barrett
Estimated Birth Year:	1799
Registration Year:	1866
Registration Quarter:	Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death:	67
Registration district:	Yarmouth
Parishes for this Registration District:	Yarmouth
Inferred County:	Norfolk
Volume:	4b
Page:	13

Source Information:

FreeBMD. England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.

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Parish Register image : Marriage of Benjamin to Mary Ann Nightingale at FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-62CF-8Q

Burial entry @ Garboldisham https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XXC3-6JY

Baptism @ Garboldisham https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6MHS-PWM

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Burial @ Yarmouth St. Nicholas https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DY49-8DN

FindMyPast has a copy of the Parish Register Marriage entry for Benjamin Barratt & Mary Brock at North Lopham, Norfolk on 15 Nov 1824. Benjamin was of the Parish of Garboldisham in the County of Norfolk, Mary was of this Parish. They were married by Licence.

You can search for a copy of their Marriage Licence at FamilySearch here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRCS-XKG (unfortunately not indexed)

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Parish Register Image of marriage of George Barrett & Ann Beeching https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XCT9-94V

1851 Census entries for Benjamin @ Yarmouth (Ancestry Shared Image) & Benjamin @ Garboldisham (Ancestry Shared Image)

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Okay, Miss Vivian

but the images are hard to read  ! ? !

Do they convey the same information I found on Ancestry?

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Hi Eddie

Yes, but it's always good to see the images because they sometimes provide more information. The only one I had a problem reading was the marriage image for Barrett/Nightingale.

The marriage entry for George Barrett confirms that he was the son of Benjamin, the Schoolmaster, and the 1851 census for that family confirms Benjamin was born in Yarmouth. The details you provided from Ancestry helped me locate the images at FamilySearch reasonably quickly.

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Hello & thanks to all who are attempting to assist me with this puzzle. In reply my Wiki ref is Barrett - 9581. There is only 1 original entry in Wiki ( mine ) that I carried over from Ancestry. Here he is married to Mary Anne Nightingale (His Family search ref KGZH-7R6 ) His dob 1801 was calculated from a census record. The other Benjamin Barrett in Family search dob 1802 is ref LSJQ-63L He was married to Mary Anne Brock. The Ancestry record goes back several years ( could be incorrect ) I hope that this helps. I am searching for his birth records & parents as Thomas Barrett & Elizabeth Stebbing may belong to LSJQ-63L & not to " my " Benjamin. Hope that this makes sense. Ignore the previous BB's as they were ancestors of the guy that we are looking for.

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From Vivian's comment about the marriage of Benjamin Barrett and Mary Brock, that Benjamin was from the parish of Garboldisham, I think that currently Benjamin Barrett (Barrett-9581) is married to the wrong woman.

It makes more sense that the BB who was baptised, buried and living at Garboldisham in the 1851 census would come from there in the record of his marriage.

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The BB who married Mary Ann Nightingale, is more likely to be the BB who was born 1 Nov and baptised 3 Nov 1798 at Great Yarmouth, the son of Thomas Barrett and Mary Woolard that Eddie has identified above.

There is another BB baptised at Great Yarmouth on 22 Sep 1797 the son of William Barrett and Martha Mountford, but it looks like he died young and was buried at Great Yarmouth on 13 Mar 1799.  This is from searching FreeREG, so these are transcriptions, but usually reasonably reliable.

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Hi to everyone who assisted in sorting out Benjamin Barrett. I will continue now to remove the ancestors that belong to BB & Mary Brock & work on BB born in 1798 who married Mary Anne Nightingale. As to who gave the best answer I am stuck. you should all be Wonderful Wikitreers especially Eddie, Vivian & John. It is so encouraging when members work together for the comman good. Thanks again to you all.