Marriage details or maiden name for Mary wife of Josiah Allen of Kidderminster

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Hi All,

Is anyone able to help me with the maiden name or marriage details for Mary (c. 1791 - 1859) the wife of Josiah Allen of Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England.  Census data suggests she was born in Coventry and probably married towards the end of the period from 1807 to 1822.  The apparent use of surnames as middle names in succeeding generations may suggest that her surname was Simpson, Rhys, Gordon, Seymour or Berwick.  

Any help very much appreciated.


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in Genealogy Help by Chris Weston G2G6 Mach 1 (12.8k points)
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Sorry, I cannot find anything. Are you absolutely certain that you have the correct death for your Josiah Allen? He was a weaver, and I don't know how the average weaver could afford to send his child to Cambridge. When Rev. Richard Allen, son of Josiah, married, his father's occupation was gentleman. So my spidey senses are telling me there may be some conflation of Josiahs happening.
by Leandra Ford G2G6 Mach 5 (56.8k points)

BTW, the Alumni Cantabrigienses doesn't mention Richard's mother either.

Further searching suggests that it is the correct Josiah. I still cannot find any clues about Mary's maiden name though. I did learn there's a family burial site at Amblecote. Have you checked for an informative headstone?
Hi Leandra, thank you so much for looking into this.

I too am perturbed by Richard Allen describing his father as a gentleman.  Josiah does seem to have been a prominent figure amongst the carpet workers in Kidderminster, getting toasted by the local MP on one occasion, and a leading member and clerk of one of the churches.  Even so, allowing that a carpet worker's son might describe himself as a gentleman by virtue of an ecclesiastical career (and Richard does seem to have been an extremely successful charismatic preacher at a new church in Gipsy Hill), it is hard to imagine him extending the description to his dad.  My interest in the family is through Richard's sister Elizabeth, whose illegitimate daughter was my great grandmother, but I'll set about creating profiles for the other members of the family and see if anything comes up in the process.  I'll also see what I can dig up on other Allen families in the neighbourhood.  (I already know that there is a risk of confusion with Josiah Allen, an important printer/publisher in Birmingham.)
The son Josiah was a surgeon. His marriage record also has his father's occupation as gentleman. Do you have a copy of his will?

Josiah Allen was buried at St George's at Kidderminster. "England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991", database, FamilySearch ( : 15 March 2020), Josiah Allen, 1859.

So is Mary. 
"England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991", database, FamilySearch ( : 15 March 2020), Mary Allen, 1859.

When their daughter Hannah Gething died in 1911, an article in the County Express on 15th July 1911 mentioned her two brothers Josiah and Richard and then stated she was buried in the family plot at Amblecote. Presumbaly then that is the Gething family plot!

No I don't have a copy of a will.  I tried searching the National Archives catalogue in the hope of one there.  I found an extensive correspondence about the disenfranchisement of a John Allen, which I have yet to process, but no will.
I believe I've seen an obituary for Mary, but it only described her as Josiah's wife.  I'll go through the attendees at Hannah Gething's funeral - I guess there just might be a relative from her maternal grandmother's family.

Have you checked this site?
It was granted on 14 Feb 1860, so you will need to select 1860 as the year of death. I find it on page 6 of 14.

I've just ordered it.  Many thanks.  More to follow when it becomes available.

I've decided that "Knight" seems most likely, based on Mary's daughter Elizabeth housekeeping for her uncle William Knight in the 1861 census ( together with christenings more or less in the right time frame in William's stated birthplace of Sheldon for a Mary ( and a William (  

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