Ancestor Listmaker - Unsourced, Gedcom junk, brick walls and more!

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I have just uploaded a new version of Ancestor Listmaker with the following new/revised features:

  • Generation and ahnentafel numbers - These are now available as a display option on all lists. (Formerly you could only get them on a list of all ancestors.)
  • Full names - There is now an option to have the ancestor's full name at birth (including middle name) displayed on any list, rather than just their short name. (Note, however, that only short names will still show for ancestors with private profiles.)
  • Five-Star Profiles - A new list option to see a list of all ancestors whose profiles are WikiTree 5-Star Profiles, meaning they have had 1000+ and 100+ visitors in the past year.
  • GEDCOM Junk - A new list option to see a list of all ancestors whose profiles include headings that are considered GEDCOM junk.
  • Unknown/Missing Father - A new list option to see a list of all ancestors whose father's surname is "Unknown" or who does not have a father attached to their profile. (This is a type of "brick wall" list.)
  • Unknown/Missing Mother - A new list option to see a list of all ancestors whose mother's surname is "Unknown" or who does not have a mother attached to their profile. (This is another type of "brick wall" list.)
  • Unsourced - A new list option to see a list of all ancestors whose profiles have the Unsourced template on them.

A shout-out to Ales Trtnik for helping me get data from the WikiTree+ database which made the Five-Star Profiles, GEDCOM Junk, and Unsourced Profiles list options possible.

Here's the link to the app (same as old link): https://apps.wikitree.com/apps/ashley1950/index.html The app can also be found on the WikiTree apps page: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Apps

in The Tree House by Chase Ashley G2G6 Pilot (179k points)
edited by Chase Ashley

Additional feature request:

  1. Can you include a display option for the Privacy Level of a Profile? (I am thinking that the WikiTree colored dot scheme should suffice.) This will be helpful in confirming the full name at birth/short name that is listed against the privacy setting for a profile.
Here's the link to the Privacy Setting page on WikiTree:
Thanks for providing us with this great app. - Tommy
Sounds doable. I'll think about it.

laugh Overflowing abundance and then some ... 559 ancestors within 20 generations 

Thanks again!!  Great stuff!
This is awesome! Thank you.

I was looking through some of the lists it built for me and I saw some duplicate names due to a converging tree many generations back. Would be interesting to do a filter of ancestors who are on your tree multiple times.

Edit:Just thought of another one. List of ancestors that have under x number of sources.
@Andrew - Re duplicates list - Agreed. I'll think about it. The duplication is interesting. Although having, say, 16 different lines of descent from Robert the Bruce back 20 generations is perhaps less significant when one considers that, going back that far, you have millions of different lines of descent.

Re sources - That would be tougher and would require retrieving and evaluating the profile text (which the app doesn't currently do). (I note that WikiTree Statistics evaluates sourcing based on a manual review of a random sampling, not any kind of automated review.) In theory, doable, but I'm not sure I could figure out how to make the app do it fast enough. That might be out-of-scope for this app.
Using Safari on a MacBook running macOS Catalina. When I click the link, it takes me to a blank white page. Nothing loads, but it does show the link address in the http line. I have allowed popups and turned content blockers off, and still nothing.

Is this a Windows-only app? Thanks in advance,

Jim
Same here, Jim.  Running it on Mac/Chrome and there's a blank page.  It worked for me previously, so I suspect there's a glitch of some sort.  Maybe check back later to see if it's working again.
This is the correct link, but it currently is not working.  And yes it does work fine on Mac devices when the app is working.
I just fixed it. Should be working now.
It is working fine for me now.

Note:  you may need to clear your cache in your browser or reload the page.  I had to reload the page for it to work for me.
Yup - cleared cache in settings and all ok now. Thanks for your  suggestions!
Thank you, it works now!

Jim

5 Answers

+4 votes

Here is the link to the Ancestor Listmaker app:

https://apps.wikitree.com/apps/ashley1950/index.html

by Tommy Buch G2G6 Mach 3 (36.3k points)
Thanks, Tommy. I'll add the link to my "question" to make it easier to find (in case your answer gets moved down).
This link Just comes up as a blank page for me I’m afraid - iPad with Safari. The other link goes to an app page but can’t find it there either.
At this present time, it is not working for me either.  All I get is a blank page too.
I just fixed it. Should be working now.
Sorry but it’s still the same for me.
It is working fine for me now.

Note:  you may need to clear your cache in your browser or reload the page.  I had to reload the page for it to work for me.
Still no go - I powered down the iPad and rebooted without success - blank page as b4
John - I still think it is your cache - ie you browser stored a copy of the old non-working version and keeps loading the old version. Try doing a "hard refresh" on the page, which gets rid of the cached copy. For a Mac, hold down Command and Shift and press R. For Windows, hold down Control and press F5.
John, I am on an iPad using Safari and it is working for me. I have the latest updates installed too.
John, when you are on the page that doesn’t load, in the address bar, tap the arrow that is a semi-circle to reload the page. That worked for me.
+6 votes

Just added one more list option and it's a very flexible and potentially useful one:

  • Category Text - A new list option that allows you to get a list of all ancestors in a category whose name contains search terms you enter.

So, with this option, even if the app doesn't have an option for a category you are interested in, you can create your own list option based on any category or multiple categories based on terms in the category names. Deep Australian roots? Enter "convicts" to see if you have any ancestors in any the Australian convicts categories. Deep Scottish roots? Enter "Flodden" and see which of your ancestors participated in the Battle of Flodden. The possibilities are endless. But dependent on your ancestor's profiles being in categories with the relevant names.

by Chase Ashley G2G6 Pilot (179k points)

Chase, as one of the Cat leaders (and as a person who has no remarkable ancestors) I feel this new option is crucial. The possibilities are, indeed, endless. If profiles are properly categorized (big if, I admit), you can find the profiles who lived in a particular place, or had a particular occupation, or any other characteristic that can be used to categorize a profile.

This will definitely be a fun addition; however, I can't seem to get this working. I can use separate search terms (such as "Texas" or "Cemetery") and return profiles, but using them together ("Texas, Cemetery") returns 0 profiles. I have tried quite a few combinations and this is the same result each time with varying results. So I would image this is not yet ready for prime time.

There is also still the issue of hitting private profiles, so this makes it hard to search an entire tree (from a logged in user) if parents/grandparents are still alive.
Steve - Could you tell what WikiTree ID you were using when you were having the category search issues? The category text feature seems to be working properly for me using "," as an "or".

You are correct that the app currently does not include person with private profiles in the lists, but that usually just means that, at most, ones' parents and grandparents aren't included.

Wolcik-1 was the profile being used. You can find profiles using "Texas", and you can profiles using "Cemetery", but not by using "Texas, Cemetery". Conversely, you can switch these around using "Cemetery, Texas" and it finds profiles.

In addition, I noticed you included the ability to omit terms. Could you also include the ability to force terms? As an example, be able to find profiles that are included in categories that contain specific words (not one or the other).

So given A, A ∩ B and B, we only want to return A ∩ B.

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Also, you said that "You are correct that the app currently does not include person with private profiles in the lists, but that usually just means that, at most, ones' parents and grandparents aren't included."

Is this meant to mean that only the parents/grandparents would not be returned, but other ancestors (i.e. great-grandparents) would be? If this is the case, this is not working either (using my own ID of Harris-5439) the results are always 0.

Re "Texas, cemetery" - That does seem to be a bug, but looks like a bug in my link to Ales' database rather than in the app itself. I'll check with him to see if we can fix it.

Re full boolean searches - Yes, that would be a good addition, if people think it is worthwhile.

Re Harris-5439 - I get a list of 133 ancestors for you within 20 generations. Did you mean 0 for a Texas or Cemetery category search? If so, that is consistent with what results from a search in WikiTree+. I'll check with Ales as to why that is happening.

Re Harris-5439 - I get a list of 133 ancestors for you within 20 generations. Did you mean 0 for a Texas or Cemetery category search?

Indeed. Try searching Harris-5439 out to 4 for "Texas" and you will return 0. The following all of have category matches:

  • Wolcik-1
  • Harris-18641
  • Tabor-909
  • Smith-97549
  • Wolcik-2
  • Peters-1562
  • Wolcik-3
  • Clawson-172
  • Peters-5493
  • Kañák-30
Steve - The problem with ancestors of private parents/grandparents appears to be that my app is pulling the info from Ales' WikiTree+, which itself is not showing info for ancestors of private parents/grandparents. I'm checking with Ales to see if there is a way around the problem.
Steve - I've uploaded a version that (1) fixes the problem with Texas,cemetery search (and similar searches) and (2) adds the ability to require a second term - eg Texas,+cemetery should return a list of ancestors in a category whose name includes both Texas and cemetery.

I'll turn next to the problem with category searches in the case of private parents or grandparents. It is a limitation of the database that WikiTree+ uses, but I think I can create a workaround.
+4 votes
With all of those wonderful new options, you have probably given everyone plenty of work to do!!  Thanks, I think!!
by Linda Peterson G2G6 Pilot (278k points)
+2 votes

Additional feature request:

  1. For the list type "All - All Ancestors":  Can you include a display option where the last name is first sorted and then the Gen-Ahnen number is second sorted?  I would like to see the sorted surnames listed in ascending order by generation.
- Tommy
by Tommy Buch G2G6 Mach 3 (36.3k points)
I'll think about that. I understand the interest.
+2 votes
When I click on the link, I am presented with a blank web page. No content, no links, no place to enter any information.
by Gary Christopher G2G6 Mach 1 (18.6k points)
I just fixed it. Should be working now.

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