Looking gor information on vitorio magallanes married to maria rodriguez they had a son that was baptised in 1742

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im looking for information on vitorio Magallanes.  He had a son in 1742 with maria rodriguez.
in Genealogy Help by Maria Campos G2G2 (2.8k points)
Unfortunate, you do not have there whole names.I do not see

a Family tree having them in.
Can tell you they were from Zacatecas.Saw a son

Tomas,Vitor De La Cruz Magalanes Rodriguez
Im trying to transfer it from ancestry but not sure how.  in regards to vitorio info he was born in la soledad mesquitec Zacatecas mexico, his son was born in 1747 his name was tomas de la luz Magallanes .
Magdalennas was his fathers name ,he is missing his mothers

last name.I looket but did not find.
so vitorio fathers name was magdalennas.  where was that information if you don't mind me asking I looked in 3 different websites but nothing came up
does vitorio have a middle name or was vitorrio his middle name

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Can you tell me county in Mexico ??
by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (916k points)

born 1747  La Soledad, Mesquitec, Zacatecas Mexico

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Vitorio Magalanes and wife, Maria Rodriquez, their son Tomas Vitor de la Luz Magalanes Rodriquez

Christening 12 Mar 1747 at Jarez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico

Record Collection: Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.2m points)
I have that information I was curious about vitorio, I did a dna test and most of my relatives come up in the map area from Zacatecas which is where family is from im just confused how it says 50 percent is from spain how would I know which of my relatives came from spain
Hey Maria!

My lines also come from southern Zacatecas. The lines I share with you (like Magallanes) have been in the area since at least the 1600's. It is not uncommon for families in this area to say they are Spanish, as though there were some recent ancestry, but you must generally go back to church records from the colonial period to find an immigrant ancestor.
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While baptisms for Jerez, Zacatecas have been indexed/extracted, marriages have not been. Marriage records exist from 1712, and are online at Family Search. Since Tomas’s baptismal record says he was a legitimate son, a church marriage should exist. In the Jerez marriage records there is a gap in the register from 1745 to 1761, according to the catalog at Family Search. This is an unfortunate gap as the marriage you need may be in this period. A search strategy would be to start at the end of the volume that contains 1745 and work backwards (film 440059); also scan the whole volume as pages are sometimes out of order and this may not be reflected in the catalog. Scanning through the next film, 440060, may be worthwhile for the same reason. Sometimes you can find missing marriages in the matrimonial investigations, unfortunately, the catalog says they begin in 1785, which is too late to be useful, but sometimes these are out of chronological order and other years mays be included. It is worth a look.

Also, the baptismal records for Tomas states he was a mulatto, that is a person of mixed race. This then may be the end of the line for this family and earlier records may not exist. Mixed race people where near the bottom of social strata in Colonial Mexico, so the paper trail often disappears.

As far as ancestors from Spain, sometimes the early baptisms will note if a parent was from Spain and name the town. The same with the marriages records. But, in this latter case if the groom is from Spain a dispensation would be required since he was an “ultramarino.” The records of these are in the diocesan archives in Guadalajara. These are online at Family Search. privately made indexes do exist both in print and in online resources (but not at Family Search).

Sometimes you can find the very early immigrants to Mexico in the Pasajeros a Indias. These volumes exist in print, and are online at the PARES website (Spanish Archives).
by George Fulton G2G6 Pilot (354k points)

There is a book, Haciendas of Mexico, which you can get from archive.org, that has a little information on the Haciendas, which may be of help. But from a historical perspective, it does not give much. https://archive.org/details/haciendasofmexic00coch/page/n3/mode/2up

If the hacienda or Rancho was big or important there may be a Wikipedia article on it.

The site https://en.mexico.pueblosamerica.com/ is sometimes useful.

As far as the family names go, in the older records most names had the prefix “de” but that was eventually dropped for most names, and I assume similar for “de la”, although I think in many cases “de la” remained in use longer; for example ”de la Cruz” is still used. Some names, however, very seldom used the prefixes.

Compound surnames (with the father’s and mother’s surnames) is another interesting issue. It seems they were more commonly used for the more prominent families. It is possible that it is used in one record, and not in another. For Indian families and castas compound names were very seldom used. Today in Mexico, compound names are more the norm. For people who emigrated to the US, the second part of the compound name often becomes a middle name, although Americanization of Mexican surnames is becoming less prevalent as people want to maintain their heritage.

Another situation is names like “Ruiz de Esparza” or “Lopez de Nava,” these being one name and not a compound surname. They were commonly used as written here, but sometimes could be shortened. The first could be Ruiz or Esparza, the second could become just López (I have not seen it as just Nava, but it is possible).

thank you for all the information .  to obtain a map of what the towns or states looked back then can I also obtain it from archives.org
where can I get a map of momax Zacatecas possible 1700s
During the period of colonization, Spain and Portugal were not separate. The northern parts had only just driven out the Muslims in the southern regions. One surname in particular, Magallanes, is the Spanish version of the Portuguese surname Magalhaes. Zacatacas was part of New Galicia (itself a division of New Spain). Galicians came from the present-day northwestern part of Spain and northern Portugal.

I haven't located any maps of Momáx, but here are several of Zacatecas which contain Momáx, and a few other resources for the book you are making:

1550 Nueva Galicia Map (click on view image at top right)

1819 Zacatecas Map

Zacatecas Map (Momáx is between Colotlan & Tlaltenango)

Zacatecas 1858 Map (Momáx is at the very northern part of Tlaltenango) there are other maps here, also)

1883 Map of Zacatecas

Late 1700's Map of Tlaltenango (click on view image at top right)

Late 1700's Map of New Spain (click on view image at top right)

1799 Mapa de la Intendecia de Zacatecas

A few extras: 

1588 Our Lady of Zacatecas coat of arms (click on view image at top right)

1588 Our Lady of Zacatecas coat of arms (another version) (click on view image at top right)

A Brief History of Momáx

I have more, I just need to locate them. I hope something here is useful to you. ;-)


A Spanish language surname website (direct link to Magallanes)

Castes of colonial Mexico image and descriptions 

Note: An español could have come from Spain, but someone born in Spain was known more specifically as a peninsular. 

Someone was helping me with my family tree when I started working on it from the magallanes side I realized that the people they had listed weren’t actually my ancestors .  So the people I was looking up weren’t related to our side of the family . When I started researching I was able to find out who our real ancestors were
I have taken a quick look at your family tree based on your questions and what you have posted from your profile. Before the gaps of the early 1900s, the Momax and Tlaltenango church records are quite good. The civil records in the late 1800s are also very useful (and indexed at Ancestry). You should be able to build a very solid family tree back into at least the 1700s, and possibly earlier since the early Momax people are in the Tlaltenango records, and those records begin in the 1620s.

Something to keep in mind, is that there are occasional missing baptismal and marriage records, but you know a couple was married because of the children’s records you find, and because of the grandparents listed in baptismal records (after 1800), you can extend family trees. Sometimes you find the details of dispensations and this can give you three or four additional generations.

Many of the records of baptisms and marriages have been indexed or extracted, but not all.
Indians and Africans adopted Spanish names. That's one reason why having the same surname as someone else in the records may not necessarily mean you are related. However, it is possible that someone with the same surname could be distantly related.

Often, you will see a notation in the church records indicating a person's origins. Unfortunately, an indication of indio, mulatto, etc. typically signals the end of the paper trail.

//www.guadalajaradispensas.com/?m=1 (a site with indexed dispensas)

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