Brick wall with my maternal grandfather Richard Hale

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Any one have any info on a Richard Wilbert Hale b. 1871 or 1877 according to the 1930 & 1940 WI census. Richard my maternal grandfather was 20 some years older than my Gram she was born Vera Elizabeth HANNAH in Wilton MN in July 1903. Family folklore has Grandpa being from Joplin MO but the 2 census say WI & MN. I am unable to find a trace of him anywhere except for those 2 census. Other family folklore... that he was possibly in a street or bar fight where some one was killed so he had to change his name. Possibly.Hailey but again no solid info. I did get my maternal uncle to do the dna test at 23andme. Also was said that he fought for Canada in WW1 because the US wouldn't take him.. my mom's oldest brother was born in 1923 in Emo Canada. Just above MN. Not sure about how to get info or his birth certificate from there. Possibly had a sister Minnie or Tilly. My Gram was suppose to have been his 3rd wife and possibly a daughter named Helen and a son or daughter named Casey Thanks in advance Michelle
in Genealogy Help by Anonymous Collins G2G Rookie (250 points)
retagged by Ellen Smith

I have a Richard and Hattie in Missouri:

1940 United States Federal Census about Richard W Hale

Name: Richard W Hale
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Missouri
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Father
Home in 1940: Grant, Dade, Missouri
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Country Road
Inferred Residence in 1935: Rural, Jasper, Missouri
Residence in 1935: Rural, Jasper, Missouri
Resident on farm in 1935: Yes
Sheet Number: 2B
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 3rd grade
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William J Hale 26
Marjorie Hale 21
Richard W Hale 73
Hattie E Hale 68
 
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Name: Vera Hannah
Age: 1
Census Date: 22 Jun 1905
County: Beltrami
Locality: Eckles
Birth Location: Minnesota
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Race: White
Father's Birth Location: Ohio
Mother's Birth Location: Indiana
LINE: 11
Roll: MNSC_108

 

Wisconsin Death Index, 1959-1997 about Bessie Elizabeth Hale

Name: Bessie Elizabeth Hale
Death Date: 29 Aug 1996
Location: Green (May be abbreviated)
Certificate: 024661

 

Name: Bessie E. Hale  
SSN: 533-34-4236
Last Residence:
53520 Brodhead, Green, Wisconsin, USA
BORN: 30 Jul 1903
Died: 29 Aug 1996
State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (1953-1954)

 

Name: Bessie Hale
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1903
Birthplace: Minnesota
Race: White
Home in 1930: Laona, Forest, Wisconsin
Map of Home: View Map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard Hale
Father's Birthplace: Illinois
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Occupation:
Education:
Military service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace
:
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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Hale 53
Bessie Hale 27
Richard Hale 7
Jeane Hale 3
Mavine Hale 5

 

Name: Bessie Hale
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Canada English
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Home in 1940: Lincoln, Forest, Wisconsin
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Inferred Residence in 1935: Lincoln, Forest, Wisconsin
Residence in 1935: Same House
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 4B
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 5th grade
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
R W Hale 68
Bessie Hale 46
Henry R Hale 17
Hanne Hale 14
Joan Hale 13
Arlie Hale 10
Nathan W Hale 7
Lillian F Hale 1
 

 

Perhaps they married in Canada?

Betty
Thank you but I know that he was in WI in 1930 & 1940 census, as i stated in my initial query.  I just have nothing prior to that time period.. My oldest uncle was born in Emo canada, right above MN in 1923 but am unable to confirm it with any records.

So where was he in 1920 and before?  that is what i need to find out, I know he met my grandmother in Wilton/Bemidji MN

I laugh at all the false information that was given on the 1940 census with my grandma.  However if i didnt know any better i would be looking in all the wrong places with her... which is what concerns me with my grandfather, because i dont have any info about him & cant determine what is fiction & what is real.

I find this:

Name: Richard Hale
Arrival Date: 25 Jun 1917
Port of Arrival: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Ship Name: Empress Asia
Port of Departure: Hong Kong, China
Age: 38
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1878
Birth Place: Illinois
Birth Country: USA
Gender: Male
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 29

 

Name: Richard Hale
Date of Birth: 27 Jun 1879
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
Father's Name: James Ward
Mother's name: Hepzipeth Hale

 

1880 United States Federal Census about Richardt Hale

Name: Richardt Hale
Age: 5
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1880: Saint Louis, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Richard Hale
Father's Birthplace: Indiana
Mother's name: Britched Hale
Mother's Birthplace: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: At Home
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and Dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:
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Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Hale 35
Britched Hale 39
Sarah Hale 18
Micheal Hale 16
Mary Hale 10
Katie Hale 8
Richardt Hale 5
Willie Hale 3

 

Interesting the border crossing. What's your take on the ship... an it's port of departure? Did this Richard just come back from china?
Weirder things have happened. I'm just giving you the information I can find hoping something will be relevant.

Betty
True ;) LoL thank you.. the more eyes the better.. it is appreciated

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1900 Census Sheridan ,Jasper ,Missouri,this is where he lives at this time.

Wife Hattie E. Hale Gives his birth at May 1866,

On Family Search.Org , There is a 1870 Census,Richard Hale 4 yrs old born

abt 1866, Father James Hale,Mother Mary hale,

Siblings of Richard Hale, Elizabeth,Willis, James,John, Nancy, Sarah, William,
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Name:    Richard W Hale
Titles and Terms:    
Event Type:    Census
Event Date:    1940
Event Place:    South International Falls, South International Falls Village, Koochiching, Minnesota, United States
Gender:    Male
Age:    68
Marital Status:    Married
Race (Original):    White
Race:    White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):    Head
Relationship to Head of Household:    Head
Birthplace:    West Virginia
Birth Year (Estimated):    1872
Last Place of Residence:    Same House
District:    36-36
Family Number:    69
Sheet Number and Letter:    3B
Line Number:    76
Affiliate Publication Number:    T627
Affiliate Film Number:    1931
Digital Folder Number:    005454992
Image Number:    00784

Household    Role    Gender    Age    Birthplace
Richard W Hale    Head    M    68    West Virginia
Minnie Hale    Wife    F    64    Minnesota

Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1940," index and images, <i>FamilySearch</i> (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KSLW-9C4 : accessed 02 Nov 2014), Richard W Hale, South International Falls, South International Falls Village, Koochiching, Minnesota, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 36-36, sheet 3B, family 69, NARA digital publication of T627, roll 1931.
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Name:    Richard W Hale
Titles and Terms:    
Event Type:    Census
Event Year:    1930
Event Place:    International Falls, Koochiching, Minnesota, United States
District:    0020
Gender:    Male
Age:    58
Marital Status:    Married
Race:    White
Race (Original):    White
Relationship to Head of Household:    Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):    Head
Birth Year (Estimated):    1872
Birthplace:    West Virginia
Immigration Year:    
Father's Birthplace:    Virginia
Mother's Birthplace:    West Virginia
Sheet Number and Letter:    12A
Household ID:    249
Line Number:    5
Affiliate Name:    The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number:    T626
Affiliate Film Number:    1102
GS Film number:    2340837
Digital Folder Number:    004610056
Image Number:    00779

Household    Role    Gender    Age    Birthplace
Richard W Hale    Head    M    58    West Virginia
Minnie Hale    Wife    F    54    Minnesota
James E Hale    Son    M    17    Minnesota
Arthur H Carlson    Head    M    38    Wisconsin
Mabel G Carlson    Wife    F    36    Wisconsin
Carol J Carlson    Daughter    F    7    Minnesota

Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1930," index and images, <i>FamilySearch</i> (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X383-H83 : accessed 02 Nov 2014), Richard W Hale, International Falls, Koochiching, Minnesota, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 0020, sheet 12A, family 249, NARA microfilm publication T626, roll 1102.
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Thank you for these. I was so excited when I found this same info years ago. But it's not the right one.. found where there are buried in VA or WV can't remember anymore. My grandfather Richard Hale is buried in Crandon WI. But the similarities are great..
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Name:    Richard W Hale
Titles and Terms:    
Event Type:    Census
Event Year:    1910
Event Place:    Township 68, Koochiching, Minnesota, United States
District:    84
Gender:    Male
Age:    38
Marital Status:    Married
Race:    White
Race (Original):    White
Relationship to Head of Household:    Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):    Head
Birth Year (Estimated):    1872
Birthplace:    West Virginia
Immigration Year:    
Father's Birthplace:    Virginia
Mother's Birthplace:    West Virginia
Sheet Number and Letter:    12A
Household ID:    247
Line Number:    
Affiliate Name:    The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number:    M1283
GS Film number:    1374720
Digital Folder Number:    004330231
Image Number:    00486

Household    Role    Gender    Age    Birthplace
Richard W Hale    Head    M    38    West Virginia
Minnie Hale    Wife    F    35    Minnesota
Arta Hale    Daughter    F    15    West Virginia
Bertha Hale    Daughter    F    13    West Virginia
Aps J Hale    Son    M    11    West Virginia
Lula Hale    Daughter    F    10    West Virginia
Marie Hale    Daughter    F    7    Minnesota

Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1910," index and images, <i>FamilySearch</i> (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M2GN-QC5 : accessed 02 Nov 2014), Richard W Hale, Township 68, Koochiching, Minnesota, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 84, sheet 12A, family 247, NARA microfilm publication T624, FHL microfilm 1374720.
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Name:    Richard W Hale
Titles and Terms:    
Event Type:    Census
Event Year:    1900
Event Place:    Laurel Hill district, Lincoln, West Virginia, United States
District:    45
Gender:    Male
Age:    29
Marital Status:    Married
Race:    White
Race (Original):    W
Relationship to Head of Household:    Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):    Head
Number of Living Children:    
Years Married:    6
Birth Date:    Jun 1871
Birthplace:    West Virginia
Marriage Year (Estimated):    1894
Immigration Year:    
Father's Birthplace:    Virginia
Mother's Birthplace:    West Virginia
Mother of how many children:    
Sheet Number and Letter:    13B
Household ID:    223
Line Number:    83
Affiliate Name:    The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number:    T623
GS Film Number:    1241763
Digital Folder Number:    004123457
Image Number:    00565

Household    Role    Gender    Age    Birthplace
Richard W Hale    Head    M    29    West Virginia
Minnie Hale    Wife    F    25    Minnesota
Arta Hale    Daughter    F    5    West Virginia
Birtha Hale    Daughter    F    3    West Virginia
Aps Hale    Son    M    2    West Virginia
Lula Hale    Daughter    F    0    West Virginia

Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1900," index and images, <i>FamilySearch</i> (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M9CR-W5Y : accessed 02 Nov 2014), Richard W Hale, Laurel Hill district, Lincoln, West Virginia, United States; citing sheet 13B, family 223, NARA microfilm publication T623, FHL microfilm 1241763.
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https://archive.org/details/halefamilyofconn00morr

Might have leads there. A hale in 1800s also did a catalog of Connecticut cemeteries

Any connection with Spanish American War?

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