Any documents confirming Rice Smith's parents?

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According to one genealogy website (link on Rice's profile), his parents are Holman Smith and Elizabeth Willis, but I'm unable to confirm this as I have not found any primary documents connecting them to Rice. Is there a way to confirm that they were Rice's parents?
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in Genealogy Help by Anonymous Jobes G2G Rookie (180 points)
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There might have been more than 2 Rice Smith

Name: Rice Smith

Gender: Male

Age: 44

Birth Year: abt 1806

Birthplace: South Carolina

Home in 1850: District 38, Hall, Georgia, USA

Occupation: Farmer

Industry: Agriculture

Real Estate: 2300

Line Number: 28

Dwelling Number: 81

Family Number: 81

Household Members:

Name Age

Rice Smith 44

P Smith 34

R Smith 17

D Smith 15

S Smith 13

J A Smith 11

S M Smith 9

S Smith 7

M Smith 3

W P Smith 0

Source Citation

Year: 1850; Census Place: District 38, Hall, Georgia; Roll: 72; Page: 346A

by Marion Poole G2G Astronaut (1.1m points)

Name: Rice Smith

Age: 52

Birth Year: abt 1808

Gender: Male

Birth Place: South Carolina

Home in 1860: District 434, Hall, Georgia

Post Office: Argo

Dwelling Number: 313

Family Number: 274

Occupation: Farmer

Real Estate Value: 3060

Personal Estate Value: 3000

Household Members:

Name Age

Rice Smith 52

Catherine Smith 46

Sidney Smith 18

Shelton Smith 16

Harriett Smith 15

William Smith 10

Indiana Smith 5

A J Stephens 17

Source Citation

Year: 1860; Census Place: District 434, Hall, Georgia; Page: 42; Family History Library Film: 803126

Those are very likely the same person because they were both born in SC, they both lived in Hall, GA, and their estimated birth years are very close. "Rice" seems to be an uncommon name as even Find A Grave turns up only 13 results for the name "Rice Smith."

In the 1850 Census, P. Smith is likely Mary Polly Whelchel Smith (Whelchel-60), and in the 1860 Census, Catherine Smith is likely Rice's 2nd wife. Indiana Smith Holder (Smith-216295), a daughter of Rice Smith who is shown on the 1860 Census, had a mother named Pollie Whelchel, according to her death certificate.

These factors have led me to determine that both are the same Rice Smith.

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by Susan Smith G2G6 Pilot (451k points)

I included the Smith site in the sources, but I don't know how accurate the site is as it seems like a user-generated tree.

Holman Rice Smith (born 1826) and Rice Smith (born c. 1806) may be different people as they were born about 20 years apart. They are either siblings who share both parents, two unrelated individuals, or the same exact person.

They both appear on the 1850 Census, but they seem to be distinct individuals living in different households.

On the other 1850 Census:

  • Holman Smith, Male, 68, SC
  • Elizabeth Smith, Female, 65, SC
  • May Smith, Female, 26, SC
  • H. Smith, Male, 24, SC
H. Smith is Holman Rice Smith (born 1826) and likely isn't Rice Smith (born c. 1806).

Holman Rice Smith's father was also named Holman Rice Smith (born 1783).

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laugh Oh, well, Anon Jobes, -- bear with my pep talk here -- THAT is the sort of puzzle grown-up researchers have cut  broken their teeth on -- if one can imagine something happening it is likely it has already done so somewhere or is happening now somewhere or will happen somewhere 

Now I have seen such situations before, where -- for instance -- man had two sons who EACH had a child named after their father (him) 

I've seen a man marry twice and have a son by each one (sons' names were the same as his own name) and the second son by the second wife wife was born while the son by the first wife was flourishing and begating his own family 

I have seen families where the name was passed down by the generations, even unto John Smith VI (the 6th) 

(Admitted, I remember these more because I thought they were "over the top" but ...)

And I have seen instances where you actually do find out that two of the men are most probably not related so far as can be determined, but by some strange and awkward set of conditions they ended up living within 50 or 100 miles of each other, there wasn't all that much difference in their birth years or in the locale of birth, their wives had very similar names, there was a similar number of children with some similarity in names ... it was spooky ... 

But careful research by a number of folk, involving building time lines and locating deeds and marriages and baptisms and any other possible event -- and the pursuit of the lives of the children of each including their births and baptisms etc -- led to a weighted conclusion they were in fact two different men -- probably, most likely not ADD EDIT: the same one man 

It involves locating several events that occur where one man was definitely known to be and locating where the other man was at that date ... last I saw they'd located one such event and another as probable 

Well, they were either different men, or he had a fast horse and at least one compliant wife or possibly both -- and I have seen cases where men have done just that, wife in one town and wife in another town, both wives ignorant of each other and very not happy when he died and they both showed up with children in tow at his funeral ... 

Or the Mormon who left Utah came to CA (after the feds clamped down) with two of his wives, parked a wife on each side of the town (in a more rural area) and kept the children of both women ignorant of what was what and who was who and ... someone asked me to find some info, I did, and suddenly he had a passel of half-sibs neither nor his full sibs had known about and said "it explains some things" ... I advised him to be very very discreet about who he talked to about this, THEY might not be a pleased to find it out  --  

WHETHER this pep talk HELPS you I don't know. But what you see in the DOB of those three men, what is purported to be their DOB, if not quite proven, is not all that uncommon. 

I do not envy you the amount of research you might be facing to pinpoint these in men 

+1 vote
I found on Family Search that Rice A Smith 1806-1870 (FS Id. LTFN-FY1 AND Holman Rice Smith 1826-1904 (FS Id. LZ2G-186) are brothers.  Their parents are Holman Rice Smith Sr.  1783-1855 (FS Id. LT65-21Q)  and their mother is Elizabeth Willis 1785-1868 (FS Id. G39l-HPW).  

Holman Rice Smith Sr. father is  Edward Smith 1730-1815 (FS Id. LV92-DTC).  and his wife is Sarah Rice 1745-1817 (FS Id L7T65-P3X). Thus the Rice in their names.   Edward Smith is my 2nd cousin and we share Francis Meriwether and Mary Bathurst as common ancestors.  

When your in Family Search - the Smith line goes into Christoper Smith 1592-1638 and Elizabeth Townley 1598-1679.  Both are my 9th Great Grandparents.
by Walter Smith G2G1 (1.4k points)
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1850 Census: Hall, Georgia; Holman Rice Smith Sr., 68 years; Elizabeth (Willis) Smith, 65 years; May C Polly Smith, 26 years born abt 1824/25, Holeman Rice Smith, 24 years - b.1826 ; all born in South Carolina.

Elizabeth Willis is the mother for Holman Smith Born 1824

Spartanburg, South Carolina....

Holman Smith, 68 years;

Elizabeth Smith, 65 years;

Mary C Polly Smith, 26 years,

Holman Rice Smith, 24 years; all born in South Carolina, his brother is Rice A Smith born 1806-1870

Holman Rice Smith Sr. is the father of both. The 1860 Census is Rice A Smith's family.

by Walter Smith G2G1 (1.4k points)
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The best are the Censes records.
by Walter Smith G2G1 (1.4k points)

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