Suggestions list changed?

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Recently I have seen what I think (?) are a new category of suggestions.  "Possible Father" and "Possible Mother" as found in FAG.  If I do not care to expand on a particular profile, is there a polite/recommended way to suppress the suggestion?
in Policy and Style by James Bogart G2G3 (3.3k points)
retagged by Ellen Smith
Basically, if a child and parent is linked on Findagrave, but not on WT, a suggestion is generated. This works fine for open profiles, but errors start to creep in when the privacy is orange or greater. I have some for orange where a male was suggested as a "possible mother".

wink I think we can look at it like it's "Just For Fun ... " Jillaine.  Some people do like it, as I do.  I think it is a fun thing and I think it is useful and I'll use it. 

Aaron, I don't get what the privacy level would have to do with it??  Can you explain a little further?  It would seem if there's private data that the algorithm can't see, it wouldn't be able to generate a suggestion at all.  And if it got the gender wrong, that would have to be because a contributor at one site or the other got a memorial number mixed up, most likely between a husband and wife.

Um, Jillaine, yes, I agree. Looking at the help page for DBE 542 for instance, it seems it's mostly about adding links to WikiTree profiles in Wikidata, which only a few WikiTree members are coincidentally interested in doing.

However - if the suggestion is completely incorrect (the parent suggested on WikiData is not the parent), the suggestion must be marked false, and the potential problem must be documented on the profile, since it signals an incorrect genealogy "out there".

I'm with Jillaine on this one.  Some might find it helpful or useful, but to me it's just noise.  Of course we can always look to FindAGrave for hints about connections.  Do we need the Suggestions Report to tell us that?  Especially since it tells us in a way that we have to take time to deal with, right now?  If you want to keep your Suggestions clean, you have to either investigate the links (which you might not be interested in at present), or mark them False just to make them go away.

Please, Data Doctors, stop creating these make-work suggestions.  Maybe you have found all the real problems to point out to us, and you can take a break.  Well done!

If you absolutely must continue to seek out new 'issues,' can you give us a reliable way only to see the important ones?  Maybe you can attach a severity rating to them, like Level 1 for Fix This or Else, down to Level 5 for Just for Fun.  Then perhaps allow us to choose which levels we want to see.  Or maybe give us a button for Clear All Level 5 Suggestions.  Please.

Another option occurs to me as well.  Orphan everyone.  No Watchlist, no Suggestions.  Problem solved.
Thanks, Isabelle. There are a whole lot of incorrect genealogies "out there"-- does this mean we're going to start having suggestion reports that compare WikiTree profiles to ancestry/rootsweb trees and FS trees? and ... ?

 Well, this particular Suggestion item is just for fun, not a requirement, no one has to embrace it, and it can be ignored.  

The few of us who do like it will continue to do so, and will take the usual precautions for practicing safe genealogy. 

I've dealt with two of the initial seven and have had no problem sourcing what I found, it has been a fruitful experience.  It will be interesting to see how many more of these will turn up in my Suggestions. 

Susan, my point is you can't just ignore it, or it will clutter up your suggestions forever.
Herb, why do you say that?  I don't have any hangup about ignoring most of those Find A Grave suggestions and just letting them clutter up the report.  I have about 50 or so that have been there since the beginning of the error reports with no ill effects.  I will attempt to address the occurrences of this new type of suggestion, but not in a big hurry.

 Isabelle,

As I understand it, suggestions 591 - FindAGrave - Possible father and 592 - FindAGrave - Possible mother, are comparing people in profiles in WikiTree with memorials in Find-A-Grave. 

If WikiTree has a spouse couple A & B with a Find-A-Grave Template and  person C who is not connected to the big tree, Aleš finds a find-a-grave couple A & B with a child C.  A, B and C in WikiTree are theoretically A, B and C on Find-A-Grave are the same people. That is why the suggestion.

I have only had one, but it was right on.  I just had to find a source besides Find-A-Grave to support the fact.  Thank you Aleš.

These suggestions are not make work.  They are to help us do one thing in our objects.  Connect people to the Big tree.  Hopefully it will keep the duplicates down that have to be merged.

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Possible Mother and Father are 'brand new' Suggestions that Ales created this week using Find a Grave.  He sent a message to the Data Doctor group for people to review and then he created them.

  1. If Find a Grave page / template is on the Parent and Child wikitree profiles
  2. AND the wikitree page 'for the Child'  does not have one or both parents, 
  3. AND the Find a Grave page 'for the Child' has parents
  4. Suggestion is being shown as possible parents to be connected.  

As normal, sources should be checked before connecting the parents to the wikitree profile. 

As Cindy said, if sources show one or both parents on incorrect on Find A Grave, mark the suggestion as False with a comment that parents are wrong, but I would also send an update to Find A Grave, as I did yesterday, to remove or change parents. I always send along the sources or links to wikitree that has sources.

by Linda Peterson G2G6 Pilot (530k points)
edited by Linda Peterson
Unfortunately, this wasn't tagged with Data Doctors or you probably would have gotten an answer earlier.  Questions about Suggestions should be tagged with Data Doctors so others can help.
And if the parents aren't correct on FAG I would make the suggestion as False.
I also mark as false if they are already linked.
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Mark it as 'False Suggestion'.  Then it will go away.
by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
Yes, marking it a "False Suggestion" will get rid of it, but if it is not a "False Suggestion" should it be marked as such? I had about ten of these suggestions. All but two were valid suggestions. All that is required to "work" these suggestions is to link a profile you manage to another profile already on WikiTree by simply pasting the Wiki ID of one in the child/parent box of the other and clicking on "go." Then, marking the status of the suggestion as corrected. No profile creation or major work is required. My ten suggestions took me about ten minutes to complete.
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I just worked the ones that appeared on my suggestion list. The profile ID for the potential father/mother is listed. It's fairly easy to connect them if you want to blindly accept FindAGrave. I was very quickly able to find alternative sources (and add those to the profile if not already there) then connect to parents.

I did mark one as a false suggestion, since her obituary cleared identified her adoptive mother.
by Kay Knight G2G6 Pilot (420k points)

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