Why do we use stickers--what is the benefit?

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I am one that does not like the old fashioned stickers, and would like to know what the benefit is? 

What I don't like about them! (my personal opinion)

  • They are outdated, poor quality images, from early computer days, and not so very professional. They take away from the overall presentation quality of the profiles and Wikitree. 
  • They seem to me, to be an equivalent to categories, so a duplication that just uses more space on the site. with out adding anything beneficial.

in Policy and Style by Jean Skar G2G6 Mach 1 (13.6k points)
For the people I use stickers on it is an important identifier.  It’s immediately obvious withour having to read the bio,  I do think some stickers could be replaced with caregories and I’m not a fan of stickers with lots of qualifiers. To me the difference is a sticker makes an important fact about a person prominent to the reader of a profile where categories are mostly useful for grouping people or sorting them in some way.
I am curious regards what you see as "old fashioned" stickers - and which images are "outdated and poor quality".

smiley Objectively speaking, Jean, stickers, templates and the like will remain in use at WT.  Subjective assessments are merely opinion, as noted.  I don't use many -- primarily I use the one {{Died Young}} although I think that's a template and not a sticker?  I put a Participated in the RW one on my mother's grandfather's grandfather and I guess that is a sticker? I like the looks of them when I see them on profiles

It is the quality of the icons, that makes them old fashioned--they are from the time when computers did not have the memory to handle more. See the sticker for one name study. I hate having to use them on the pages, and have no choice. It takes away from the page presentation quality on Wikitree.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Nisbet_of_Raecleuch

Actually I should have said ICONS that are used on stickers and templates are old fashioned to be correct about the images used.
I'm not certain, but I think you can change those images.  (ONS ones, I mean.)
Melanie I thought you were correct but it is a template so is for the whole project so I can't see how I can change it.
Jean

If you go to this link:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:One_Name_Study_Project_Templates

and scroll down to the section 'Sticker Customization', you will see how to change the little 'tree growing out of a book' to your ONS's logo.

For an example, see the my sticker on my Haywood Name Study (you will have to scroll down to see it):
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Haywood_Name_Study
Ros  Great thanks loads i will try it--that fixes one sticker I don't like

replying to Susan's comment "...although I think that's a template and not a sticker?":

Stickers are a type of template.

...just an fyi comment...laugh

Just been to your ONS and I see you have made the change.  Glad I could help. :)
Ros yes thanks-- a work in progress now that I know how to do it---it is an improvement and see you could just upload a text image. This appears to be an option for One name studies.

Thanks to all that have answered I have learned a lot, and hope others have too. A summary here. 
(Templates such as Project boxes sometimes incorporate a sticker as part of the template, and so are not considered a sticker) (We can change for One names studies for the project you manage) 
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Templates

Otherwise as I posted below Wikitree guidelines for stickers  
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Stickers

According to these Guidelines for stickers:  
They are ONLY FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL USE on profiles you contribute to or manage. 

  • They are not intended to serve a unique functional purpose. (So there is no reason to put them there for a purpose but are a personal preference).
  • Profile Stickers can be placed on any profile on which they are appropriate by anyone  (note there are conditions to be able to place them on profiles)
    • who is on the Trusted List and has 
    • been following changes or  has been 
    • contributing to the profile

(So just adding stickers to orphaned and other profiles is not allowed)

  • They should not be placed by someone who does not actively follow the profile and who has not otherwise contributed to it, unless they communicate with the Profile Manager before or when the Sticker is placed.

  • Stickers can be removed by any contributor to the profile. They should not be added back without communicating with this contributor.

  • Stickers should not be included if any contributor does not want them there. (That means any contributor to the profile, not just someone essentially "passing by" who happens to dislike stickers.   )

One Name Study stickers *are* functional, actually.  They add the category which then includes the profile into your ONS.  If you look at the tiny text on the sticker, it also includes a link to the Study.

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Thank you for your question, Jean. I like the stickers for exactly the opposite reasons for which you dislike them.  I feel they add to the biography, are attractive, relevant and draw instant identification with key points raised in the bio. I do not see stickers as equivalent to categories, but complimentary; often using the mechanism for adding the category.  Everyone is entitled to their likes and dislikes. Stickers also aid in the collaboration process, being a 'talking point' between members associated through a profile. Regards, Ken
by Kenneth Evans G2G6 Pilot (164k points)
selected by SJ Baty
I agree with Kenneth.  If the stickers were relegated to Categories, you don't see Categories unless you scroll / jump to the bottom.  When someone was in US Rev War, WW I, etc, the sticker quickly identifies that the person was in the War, which may help someone to immediately know if that is the person they are looking for or not.  If they have a sticker for Vietnam War, without looking at dates, etc, you would know that you have the wrong profile.  There are many stickers / project boxes that identify projects that they are associated with and relegating everything to a category, again, you can't see them as easily as the stickers.

I can agree, sometimes they might add to the profile for one key point, i there is only text, and some will think they are attractive. If there are other good quality images on the profile, then they don't improve the profile quality wise. Can you honestly say the one name study sticker that I HAVE TO USE here, makes this page more attractive relevant and draws instant identification with key points ?

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Nisbet_of_Greenholm

That is one sticker. Your question was Why do we use stickers? What is the benefit?  We are giving you some reason for why stickers are added to profiles. If you have a problem with one particular sticker, then it should be taken up with that group to see if a different image could be used, if you have a better image.

I suspect better quality images would not be cost effective so probably not a solution. I used one as an example but in my opinion it is most of them.

As for benefits i have received a couple answers

I did and do agree with Kenneth that, they might add to the profile for one key point and that then could be seen to be a benefit. 

Then the possible benefit that in a few cases it might tell you its the not the profile you are looking for.

I may have missed something else but the rest seems to just be personal preferences that we agree/disagree on and not benefits. Stickers do not replace all categories so you still need to look at them, even though they are not as obvious.

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It is no problem to add text at the top of a profile, that should have the same benefits as the template/sticker, that in my opinion looks more professional.

I have added text so you can see both

 https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Nisbet_of_Raecleuch
by Jean Skar G2G6 Mach 1 (13.6k points)
One of the advantages of the sticker I see is the automatic link to the project page, and the linking from that back to the profiles. With text one would need to create that link and update it (on all profiles) if something would change to it.

The general look of the stickers is not really what the average European would find attractive (if I may say so). Upgrading the looks would require one or more people with knowledge of graphic design to upgrade the stickers/boxes. In my experience these people are rather hard to find, but one can always request help (I am no graphics designer myself)

I believe that is actual a official Project template with a sticker, it is used also as a link to the project pages, as such is not classified as stickers. I have now learned (thanks to some of the replies)  there is a difference, and they do not follow the same guidelines for use. 

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I use stickers to help identify what Australian colony a person is born in eg

{{Australia Born in Colony|colony=Colony of South Australia}}

{{Australia Born in Colony|colony=Colony of New South Wales}}

{{Australia Born in Colony|colony=Van Diemen's Land}}

{{Australia Born in Colony|colony=Colony of Victoria}}

and hope that the place is not changed by a do gooder later to state name, Australia. Unfortunately, some do gooders remove the sticker for some unknown reason.
by Leslie Cooper G2G6 Mach 2 (28.5k points)

This is OK for the profiles you manage-- If stickers are added  to profiles I manage, I would remove them as I do not like the look of the stickers at all.

Stickers should not be included if any contributor does not want them there.

Stickers can be removed by any contributor to the profile. They should not be added back without communicating with this contributor.

The stickers I use are approved by the Australia Project, so I will put them back when I find they have been removed.
As far as I understand the guidelines you are not allowed to do that. It is NOT OK to put them back just because they are approved and you like them if the profile manager is against it.
PM does not own the profiles.
Most of the profiles are orphaned.

Do gooders remove stickers and sources on profiles that I manage, or have created, but they can do what they like according to you.

There are guidelines as to who should and shouldn't place/remove/replace  stickers. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Stickers#Rules_on_adding_and_removing 

I have removed English county flag stickers that were,  out of the blue, placed on profiles I've created and continue to manage.Personally,  I find them distracting and the county of birth is already  written in the location field and bio. I think the guidelines were written to acknowledge the fact that there are clear differences in opinion about them.

( English county flags have only very recently come into existence, no ancestor would recognise them). 

Stickers are not for any benefit

They are ONLY FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL USE on profiles you contribute to or manage. According to following Wikitree Guidelines for stickers

  • They are not intended to serve a unique functional purpose. So there is no reason to put them there for a purpose.
  • Profile Stickers can be placed on any profile on which they are appropriate by anyone  (note there are conditions to be able to place them on profiles)
    • who is on the Trusted List and has 
    • been following changes or  has been 
    • contributing to the profile

(So just adding stickers to orphaned and other profiles is not allowed)

  • They should not be placed by someone who does not actively follow the profile and who has not otherwise contributed to it, unless they communicate with the Profile Manager before or when the Sticker is placed.

  • Stickers can be removed by any contributor to the profile. They should not be added back without communicating with this contributor.

  • Stickers should not be included if any contributor does not want them there.

Stickers should not be included if any contributor does not want them there.

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That means any contributor to the profile, not just someone essentially "passing by" who happens to dislike stickers.   If you have done nothing to enhance a profile, you should not be removing anything from it.

It is correct no one owns a profile. In my opinion, it should be about respect for others preferences, and for the time and work they have used on profiles and improving them.

No one should remove a sticker from profiles others have done work on , just as no one should go around adding stickers to profiles they haven't worked on, without permission.
Thank you.
The way the rules are written, any contributor can remove a sticker, even if the only contribution to a profile that person has made is to remove a sticker.
Leslie, you do much great work on WT, which I admire. But, please, there is no need to label those who remove a sticker as 'do-gooders'.  Indeed, by adding a sticker to illuminate a person's colony of birth is probably the act of 'doing good'.  My preference is against that range of stickers as I do not feel they make anything clearer than it is already else. Regards, Ken
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I've created several stickers along the way, sometimes using brand new digital images. The problem I notice is that the image must be 75 pixels or less. When they get that small, they get "unclear" In addition we're using a tiny image in the sticker. I have rejected several, trying to get attractive images.
by Anne B G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
I suspected that was the case. Is it correct to say they will seldom look better, unless they are kept very simple?

Is it correct to say they will seldom look better, unless they are kept very simple?

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Not always.  These images scale well enough (well, in my opinion) in a sticker :

Please note that my "boarding house" (also used for a hotel keeper) is anything but "simple".

 

If you can't tell from the sticker text that the person was a weaver, you can click the image and see the larger size.

Thanks Loads I will work on it
That's why I tend to use a simple letter.  Such as a large 'H' for the Haywood Name Study, and a large 'M' for the Murch Name Study.  When I was running the Stumbles Name Study, it was a large 'S' on a child's block.

@ Ros - your H works really well for the name study!  I like it. :)

I do letters for profile images, but like to have pictures of the occupation/s, or something related to the occupation/s for using in occupation stickers.  If I can't find a public domain image I can crop and adapt, I will create one - - such as my boarding house (which took me hours, and a huge dose of satisfaction when it was done).

Joelle Colville-Hanson also has a fine collection of images that scale well, or are already at "sticker size".   And I don't think we are the only two who have decent images for sticker use.

Thanks for the kind words. Here are where I keep most of the images. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Religion_Images  (There are more than religion images despite the name)

Joelle and Melainie some great work
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Shrug.  I am a visual person.  I like stickers.  I don't know what you mean about the poor quality.  The ones I use are fine.
by Joelle Colville-Hanson G2G6 Pilot (118k points)

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