Looking for help in finding my granddad, Samuel Harold Samuel, Sergeant RAOC, Bombay,India, married Bombay 1921

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I have his marriage certificate, which gives rank, regiment and age. And I have traced some details of 2 possible matches but can't establish a link. Would be grateful for any help.
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in Genealogy Help by Alan Samuel G2G Rookie (280 points)

Here is the newspapers.com obit. I don't have a subscription

Samuel H. Samuel II .

 in the Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800s-current

Name: Samuel H. Samuel II .
Gender: Male
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: abt 1900
Residence Place: CAMBRIDGE, Mass.
Death Date: Abt 1968
Obituary Date: 22 Mar 1968
Obituary Place: Tampa, Florida, United States of America

Thanks for this but I don't think he was in the US. Served in India with the British Army and went back to England.

Thanks for your help!


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The Samuel born in Liverpool in 1892 had mother Esther Genese and father Simeon Wolf Samuel. 

Marriages Sep 1885   (>99%)
SAMUEL  Simeon Wolf    Liverpool  Vol.8b  


Marriages Sep 1885   (>99%)
Genese  Esther    Liverpool  Vol.8b  Page:359
by Joe Farler G2G6 Pilot (133k points)
selected by Alan Samuel
Many thanks Joe!
If those do turn out to be your relatives, then there is probably a connection somewhere to the famous Samuel jewellers. The namesake of the  H. Samuel jewellery stores, for example , was born Harriet Wolf.
That's very interesting! I saw a Wolf Samuel who might also be connected but am struggling to connect what I have to my father. But chipping away! Many thanks!
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could you share this information with us to make it easier to search?
by Marion Poole G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)

"India Marriages, 1792-1948 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGVR-QC1 : 5 February 2020), Samuel Harold Samuel, 1921.

"United Kingdom, World War I Service Records, 1914-1920," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVBG-RVMS : 16 March 2018), Samuel Samuel, 1914; citing Aldershot, Hampshire, England, Lancashire Fusiliers, regiment #9/3770, publication WO 363, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 7,323,202.

"United Kingdom, World War I Service Records, 1914-1920," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVBG-RVM9 : 16 March 2018), Samuel Samuel, 1919; citing Aldershot, Hampshire, England, King's Own (Royal Lancaster) Regiment, regiment #38453, publication WO 363, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 7,323,202.

This is one

First name(s) SAMUEL

Last name SAMUEL

Birth year 1892

Birth quarter 2

Registration month -

Mother's maiden name Genese

District Liverpool

County Lancashire

Country England

Volume 8B

Page 93

Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Category Life Events (BDMs)

Subcategory Civil Births

Collections from Great Britain, England

© brightsolid online publishing ltd

Corresponds to 

GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 93
No Samuel Harold found
Many thanks for this Marion! Are there any more details re his parents? I have his father down as Samuel William Samuel. And any further info on his Mum's name?

Is there any way we can trace to the 2 army records?
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Violet Millicent Samuel (Stephens) remarried in 1931 in India and was described as a widow so Samuel probably died in India around 1930 although I can't find a record of it.

First name(s) Violet Millicent
Last name Samuel
Marriage year 1931
Marriage date 8 Apr 1931
Spouse's first name Donald Howard
Spouse's last name Owers
Place Lahore
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 33
Bride's age 33
Groom's father's first name George Newton
Groom's father's last name Owers
Bride's father's first name George Bowan
Bride's father's last name Samuel [should be Stephens]
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948


by Matthew Fletcher G2G6 Pilot (113k points)
Many thanks Matt, this is really very helpful.

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