Looking for parents of ALFRED JOHN ORAM c1880. Possible married to LUCY ANN HARVEY in 1903

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Trying to build tree for Frank Oram 1922 - 1992. Married to Florence Easto c1943. Ebenezer Oram is possibly his grandfather. Thanks.

(Note:Edited to remove all caps)

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Thanks!

Answer 1

What country, state or county please?

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SORRY .. VERY NEW TO THIS !

 LAMBETH IN ENGLAND .  THANKS .

Answer 2

Birth of Frank L. Oram: "England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV3Z-MBKV : 2 October 2014), Frank L Oram, 1922; from "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Birth Registration, Lambeth, London, England, citing General Register Office, Southport, England.

Marriage of Frank L. Oram to Florence K. Easto: "England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV8T-965N : 8 October 2014), Frank L Oram and null, 1943; from "England & Wales Marriages, 1837-2005," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing 1943, quarter 2, vol. 1D, p. 304, Lambeth, London, England, General Register Office, Southport, England.

Both occurred in Lambeth

Answer 3

The nearest I can find is an Alfred John Oram born Strand, London in 1879. This Alfred was the son of Alfred George Oram and Mary Ann Swain. Here they are on the 1901 census where they were living in Newington which is not far from Lambeth.

Name: Alfred J Oram
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Newington Green, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom
County: London, Middlesex
Civil Parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Sub-District: St Peter Walworth
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Occupation: General Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Birthplace: Strand, London
Schedule Type: 262
Page Number: 35

Household    Role    Sex    Age    Birthplace
Alfred G Oram    Head    M    50    Kingsland, London
Mary A Oram    Wife    F    51    City, London
Alfred J Oram    Son    M    21    Strand, London
Alice Maud Oram    Daughter    F    17    Camberwell, London

 

Name: Alfred J Oram
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Newington Green, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom
County: London, Middlesex
Civil Parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Sub-District: St Peter Walworth
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Occupation: General Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Birthplace: Strand, London
Schedule Type: 262
Page Number: 35

 

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Alfred G Oram	Head	M	50	Kingsland, London
Mary A Oram	Wife	F	51	City, London
Alfred J Oram	Son	M	21	Strand, London
Alice Maud Oram	Daughter	F	17	Camberwell, London

Citing this Record
"England and Wales Census, 1901," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9HZ-9ZN : 20 May 2019), Alice Maud Oram in household of Alfred G Oram, Newington Green, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom; from "1901 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing St Peter Walworth subdistrict, PRO RG 13, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.

Name: Alfred J Oram
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Newington Green, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom
County: London, Middlesex
Civil Parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Sub-District: St Peter Walworth
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Occupation: General Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Birthplace: Strand, London
Schedule Type: 262
Page Number: 35

 

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Alfred G Oram	Head	M	50	Kingsland, London
Mary A Oram	Wife	F	51	City, London
Alfred J Oram	Son	M	21	Strand, London
Alice Maud Oram	Daughter	F	17	Camberwell, London

Citing this Record
"England and Wales Census, 1901," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9HZ-9ZN : 20 May 2019), Alice Maud Oram in household of Alfred G Oram, Newington Green, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom; from "1901 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing St Peter Walworth subdistrict, PRO RG 13, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.

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thank you ... great information !

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ORAM, ALFRED  JOHN   SWAIN
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in STRAND  Volume 01B  Page 689

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Alfred George Oram married Mary Ann Swain in the June Qtr 1878, in the Strand RD Volume 1b Page 909.

Answer 4

Frank Oram born 17 January 1922, was working as a pay clerk & living with brother Leonard & parents Alfred born 6 July 1879 & Lucy born 21 October 1879 in Briscoe Buildings, Lambeth, Surrey in the 1939 England Census.

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Mother's last name would be Harvey (according to the birth registration Volume 1d Page 425).

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edited to add : Alfred John Oram married Lucy Ann Harvey in the Sep Qtr 1903, Southwark RD.  Volume 1d Page 27.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH . GREAT INFO !

Answer 5

The grand father of Frank Oram, was Alfred George Oram as guided by an earlier answer.

Alfred George Oram was born in Hackney, 1854, with mother's maiden name Huggins & baptised 5 November 1854, Hackney, Middlesex, the son of James Montague Oram & Emma.

Alfred George  with wife Mary Ann was living with son Alfred J in Olney Street, Newngton, Southwark in 1881. He worked as a waiter.

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THAT IS FANTASTIC ... PERFECT INTO TO CONFIRM I HAD CORRECT FAMILY LINE . THANK YOU .

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James Montague Oram married Emma Huggins in the September Qtr 1849, in the Shoreditch RD Volume 2 Page 392.

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James Montague Oram died 20 April 1904 aged 83,which would make him born about 1821.

ORAM, JAMES  MONTAGUE   83 
GRO Reference: 1904  J Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 227

He left £210 8s 4d to his widow, Emma. UK Govt Probate search.

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Thank you .Really new information for me .

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James was a little older than 83 at his death. He was born in 1816 & baptised 4 August 1816, Clerkenwell, St. James, Islington, Middlesex the son of James Oram (watchmaker) & Sarah of Coppice Row. (London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917) 

Sarah was likely Sarah Young, who married James Oram in Islington, 1810. (England Pallots Marriage Index). Infact 23 December, 1810 Islington, St. Mary.

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James was a little older than 83 at his death.

commented by Anonymous Woody

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It was not just women who fudged their ages, so an earlier birth does not surprise me.   The1901 census has James and wife, Emma, both aged 70, so born "about 1831".  That was 10 years off the "about 1821" from his death.