52 Ancestors Week 39: Should Be a Movie

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Should Be a Movie

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in The Tree House by Eowyn Langholf G2G Astronaut (2.6m points)
After 39 weeks, out of 52, we are left with only 13 weeks of this challenge. We have seen 75% of the questions for 2020. Good job, Eowyn, and everyone!!!
Great topic.
My great-great grandparents, John and Mary Ratcliff, migrated to Marshall County, Kansas, in 1856, as part of an abolitionist group from Ohio. Members of the group, known as the Ohio City Company, settled lands along the Black Vermilion River, southwest of present-day Frankfort, surveying their own property lines because government surveyors had not yet reached the area. John, along with many of the other men in the area, volunteered and served in the 13th Kansas Infantry Regiment during the Civil War. He was severely wounded at the Battle of Prairie Grove and, according to documents in his pension file, not expected to live. He did, and was mustered out in early 1863. John returned home to the farm, but due to his injuries, was not able to do much physical labor. Mary ran the farm, with the help of their older sons (they had seven sons, total, born between 1851 and 1869). According to affidavits in John's Civil War pension file, he spent much of his time hunting, fishing, and trapping. John also found time to have an affair with the young woman he and Mary had hired to help on the farm. Mary apparently caught them (or somehow found out) because she identifies the young woman by name and the date of their indiscretion in the divorce papers she filed in 1875, following a year-long separation (Mary ordered John out of the house and he apparently left Marshall County). After the divorce, John and Mary sold their Marshall County farm, and Mary took out her own homestead in Smith County, Kansas, a few miles southwest of Gaylord, moving there with her four youngest sons, one of whom was my great-grandfather.
My great grandfather was an orphan on the streets of Spittlefield in the lower east end of London in 1888 during the murders by Jack the Ripper. He was sent to the Brentwood Indistrial School (a workhouse) for pickpocketing at the age of 6.  While there, he lived under the thumb of Ella Gillespie who was charged with abuse and sent to prison. My great grandfather lived under her rule for 7 years before she was sent to prison.  Then he was sent to Canada at the age of 18 with the Barnardos organization.  He worked on the Glacier railroad and eventually made his way to Montana where he married my great grandmother.

He made a living as a tailor and had his own shop in Helena, Montana. He became so well respected he decito run for Justice of the Peace and served for more than a decade in that position. He married many Helenans at his home, where my great grandmother would serve them tea and cakes or cookies to make the event a little special. He was known for his compassion and kindness, people knew they could always find a meal at Justice Clarke’s home, even if Pops went without. After living on the streets of London as and orphan, starved and abused in the workhouse, he never forgot what it was like to be hungry.  

When he passed away in 1963, the  funeral procession to the crime was more than 5 miles long as all of Helena turned out to pay their respects. The entire police department has to manage traffic to get the procession to the cemetery.
Richelle, this was a beautiful story.  While I read it, Ralph McTell's "Streets of London" played in my mind.  Welcome here, and next time, you need to "answer", rather than respond.  That way you will get more readers and people can vote for your story.  I certainly would.  Better yet, you can cut and paste your story into an answer, now.  Fix the couple of typos and you have made an excellent first essay. I hope you will keep doing so.

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Some of my ‘cousins’ from California say that my great grand aunt, Ann Davis, and her story was already in a movie.  They said the movie, Bend of the River, was about the Davis family on their way to Oregon in a wagon train.  Well, I saw the movie, and it was not historically correct and was about many other things than my family.  But the one thing that was similar to their journey was when the character of a young woman was attacked by Indians while she was cooking by the campfire.  The movie poster has an arrow in her side through her arm.  In the real story, Ann fell into the fire and was burnt on one side including her face.

I wrote the the author of the book on which the movie is based, and he said the the movie goes off from his book, but he was happy anyway to get the book used.

poster image courtesy Heritage Auctions  

Hannah Ann (Davis) Hendricks


by Dave Davis G2G1 (1.9k points)
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The following is a story of my Great Uncle, written by Bob Willging and published by Wisconsin Historical Society Press.

The Mysterious Death of Edward Keeler By Bob Willging

Hunters and trappers spend a great deal of time alone in the woods, and outdoor activities in remote areas have their share of inherent dangers. Those dangers were even more apparent in the 1930s, a time of limited communication, large tracts of remote country, few heavily traveled roads, and the occasional gangster, moonshiner or poacher. In today’s History Afield, Bob Willging tells the story of one man’s mysterious death in the woods in 1931.Edward Keeler didn’t worry about dangers in the woods.  He was the son of the first white settlers in the Township of Enterprise in Oneida County.  Keeler had grown up in wild, sparsely settled places.  An accomplished fur trapper, hunter and fishing guide, he was a rugged man who was at home in the woods.  He had no reason to believe that another routine trip to his trapping shack in early December, 1931 would be his last. Born in 1871 in Sand Lake, Michigan, Edward was 17 years old when his family made its way to Enterprise to homestead.   At the time of the Keeler family’s move many Native Americans lived in the area and Edward learned much about hunting, trapping and tracking from them.  He eventually became a well-known woodsman in the area, as well as a highly respected citizen. The resourceful Keeler came to own and operate a 40-person motorized boat on Pelican Lake during the tourist season.  With his boat, “the Pelican,” Keeler picked up tourists from the railroad depot in the little village of Pelican, and transported them to the many resorts on the large lake. He also delivered mail, fresh dairy products, bakery goods and produce to the resorts.   Keeler’s beautifully designed and constructed boat, which sported an inboard motor, was the pride of Pelican Lake. During the winter, Keeler earned money by running a furbearer trapline.  He eventually built a small trapping shack back in the woods about three miles north of his home.  In his later years he retired from the passenger boat service and began spending more time in pursuit of hunting, fishing and trapping ventures.  It was typical for Keeler to pack a few days’ worth of supplies and head out to the shack to run his trapline, hunt, or just explore the woods and swamps. On December 3, 1931, the 60 year old Keeler left home for a two-day trip to the cabin.  He told his family he would be home by Saturday.  But he didn’t return.  Family members became concerned – it wasn’t like Edward to change plans without letting someone know. Keeler’s son, Edwin, went to the cabin looking for his father and discovered that Edward had dropped off his supplies, but the water and food were frozen.  It looked as though no one had been in the cabin for a day or two.  Edwin searched the area, but found no clues as to the whereabouts of his father. Over the next few days, county officials organized a search posse of over 50 men led by Oneida County Sheriff Hans Rodd. It was Edward’s brother who found his body, face-down in the snow in a pool of frozen blood. Sheriff Rodd pieced together what had happened by examining the clues at the scene.  The sheriff’s conclusion about Keeler’s last minutes indicated foul play. Rodd believed Keeler had been walking along with his pack, probably believing he was quite alone in the December woods.  From about 50 yards away, an unknown person fired a .30-30 rifle, a single shot striking him in the abdomen. The shooter would have been hidden by brush and according to reports the single bullet passed through a two-inch diameter tamarack tree before hitting Keeler.  There was no evidence that the shooter did anything more than continue on his way, even though Keeler did not die instantly and probably was able to cry out, according to the sheriff. The deputy county coroner from Rhinelander estimated that Keeler had been dead for at least two days prior to the discovery of the body.  Snow covered his body, so he had probably been shot sometime before Saturday evening. The death of Edward Keeler presented a real mystery for officials.  Two theories were offered as possible explanations for the shooting.  The official theory was that Keeler was mistaken for a deer by a game violator who shot at movement or sound through the brush and then cowardly skipped out after realizing a man was shot.  But the second, less prominent theory was that Keeler was murdered in cold blood by someone bearing a grudge against the man.  This idea simply appalled officials and local residents. County officials investigated the shooting further, but never could discover the identity of the person who had fired the fatal shot.  No one was ever arrested or charged with the crime.  The town of Enterprise was rife with theories and rumors about the shooting, with some holding firmly to the belief that Keeler was murdered.  John Mistely, an early resident of Enterprise, now in his early 90s, knew Edward Keeler well and was a member of the search party back in ’31. “Edward’s death remains a mystery to this day,” Mistely said. “I guess no one will ever know what really happened.” Eventually most Keeler family members moved away from Enterprise and Pelican Lake and today few people related to Edward Keeler remain.  But on the west side of Pelican lake there is a small public boat landing where a sign welcomes recreationists to the very  landing where Edward Keeler used to launch the Pelican almost a century ago. An interpretative sign at the landing says a few words about Edward and the history of the landing.  Hundreds of modern day sportsmen today launch their own vessels at Keeler’s landing, but few are aware of the 80 years of mystery surrounding the brutal death of Edward Keeler.

by Richard Devlin G2G6 Pilot (517k points)
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I absolutely loved the 1992 movie Far and Away with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. It was about their leaving their homeland and coming to western Oklahoma to make the 1893 Land Run for the Cherokee Strip, which was the largest of the Oklahoma Land Runs. The movie ends with them happily getting Land. I guess there could be a sequel with them trying to survive by digging a well and building a sod house like my great grandparents did. This is a photo of my great grandparents who made the 1893 Run.

by Alexis Nelson G2G6 Pilot (877k points)
Gorgeous photo how wonderful your grandfather made it, you really have so many wonderful photos
Thank you Susan for your wonderful comment. I put this on one other time, but I had cropped it to show my grandmother in the highchair.

My cousin's wife's great-grandparents were the only Jews in the Oklahoma land run. Her sister wrote a play about it, Oklahoma Samovar, which played off-Broadway.

Joyce thank you for your interesting comment. I read about the play; it is amazing that one hundred years after the run—their ninety year old daughter was able to tell their story. Wish I could have seen the play.

Play will be in Oklahoma city on October 29.  Here's the link.

Joyce, thank you for the link. I am seriously thinking about going to the play.heart

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Made into a movie huh?

Well it might be coincidental but both my husband and myself have mysterious ORPHANS in our ancestry. We cannot find ANY Details about these Orphans BEFORE they were married and it is so frustrating.

We have no idea where or when they were born or who their parents were.

So I think these Orphans should get to have a movie or at least a documentary made about their lives...

Perhaps we can do a "Finding your Roots" episode? Louis Gates Jr seems to do a great job looking for LOST families!!

My husbands ancestor - in Canada


My ancestor in England

by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
The only newsworthy event that I can think of in my family that could be made into a movie, is the Collis Bental murderer but I have already mentioned that one - under the Black Sheep tag I think....


Have you pursued this avenue?   "Ancestors of the Duclos of Gaspésie and NB

all agree on the fact that he was an orphan raised in an Acadian family of Bonaventure in Gaspésie, that of Joseph Bourg and Catherine Comeau
(ref. Biographical Dictionary of Northeastern NB)  That is from here:  https://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/GenealogieQuebec.aspx?genealogie=Duclos_Pierre&pid=890904
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Thrilling Wonder Tales

G Grandfather John Hogan was born in Cork, Ireland.  As a teenager, he lied about his age and joined the British Royal Navy, serving aboard the HMS Cleopatra sailing from England to Australia to Hong Kong from 1880 to 1887 when he jumped ship while the ship was back in England.  He then surfaced in Boston, MA in July of 1892 where he enlisted in the Boston Fire Department. On 23 Oct 1897, John was awarded Medal for Gallantry while a horseman attached to Engine 4. 

He married Alice Ryan on 18 Oct 1903 at St. Joseph's Church in Boston. He received the Distinguished/Special Service Award from Boston Fire Department in 1904. John and Alice had four children who survived to adulthood. Sadly the twin boys, Edward and Lloyd, died as infants in 1913. 

The family moved around Boston as John was transferred between fire stations. By 1935, John and Alice were living with their eldest daughter and her family in Quincy, MA. 

John retired from the Boston Fire Department with the rank of Lieutenant on 2 Nov 1936 after 44 years of service. He doted on his grandchildren and regaled them with (heavily embellished) tales of his adventures at sea (shipwrecked off the coast of China!) and as a firefighter in the City of Boston (horse-drawn fire wagons!).

John died on 6 Oct 1947 in the Jamacia Plain neighborhood of Boston and was buried in lot #129, Fireman's Lot, at Forest Hills Cemetery in Boston.

by Dorothy O'Hare G2G6 Mach 8 (89.7k points)
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John Richmond  (alias Jean Ritzman) from SchaffhausenSwitzerland could have turned his youthful years into a movie saga. Drafted into the Swiss Regiment of Napoleon Bonaparte's army at age 17, he was sent to fight in Portugal and Spain. There he was captured by British soldiers, held prisoner and obliged to serve in Malta. When the war of 1812 was declared, he was sent to the Canadian / U.S. border to defend the Kingdom from U.S. incursions.

What exactly happened next is anybody's guess. All we know is he finally escaped.  He befriended American soldiers, deserted, changed his name, married Eunice Billings, settled down on a farm and raised a family in rural New York.

by C Ryder G2G6 Mach 9 (90.8k points)
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I would nominate John Gorsuch life for a movie.  Here is a link to his profile.  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gorsuch-22

Here is the basic story.  He was a preacher in England during the Cromwell period and a staunch supporter of the Royalists.  He was drummed up on charges and removed from the pulpit.  Later reports have him being murdered in a hay mow by supporters of Cromwell.  But stories persisted that he escaped.  His family ended up hurriedly leaving for Virginia.  During the voyage, a stowaway was found that eventually died.  His body was buried at sea.  This is assumed to be John Gorsuch.  After arrival in Virginia, the family became Quakers and persecution eventually made them move to Maryland.  They were given a land grant and also became the first permanent settlers of Baltimore located around what is now Fort McHenry.  (This distinction is generally given to another but he did not live on his property.)  The family is also noteworthy for its descendents were Supreme Court Judge Neil Gorsuch and the Family that owned Gorsuch, the high end clothing stores most noted in the mountain towns of Colorado.

by Gurney Thompson G2G6 Pilot (496k points)
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Maybe I can spot my Mayflower ancestor in The Plymouth Adventure? But I think other people's relatives are just as interesting as my own, so here is a story about someone who lived near me, the Reverend Samuel Harrison. "In an age of lynchings and violent bigotry he feared no man, and no man or institution was too big for him to challenge."     He was chaplain to the famous 54 Massachusetts Regiment. and fought for equal pay for black men.

The movie Glory (now on Amazon) tells the story of this Civil War regiment, which was composed of black soldiers led by white officers. Like most stories, the movie gets some of the details wrong. Most of the soldiers were free Northerners, not former slaves from the South. Samuel Harrison isn't in the movie, but this morning I took a picture of his house so that you can see it.
by Joyce Vander Bogart G2G6 Pilot (202k points)
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I am a Campbell. Which means as inaccurate as the movie is Braveheart was a movie of my people. wink 

by Christine Preston G2G6 Mach 6 (67.0k points)
I  have the  McDonald surname in my ancestry,  I have not forgotten about Glencoe. However saying that my G Grandfather, whose mother was a McDonald, married a women whose two brothers and one sister all married Campbells, so I have ended up with a lot of relatives who are descended from Campbells
My wife is a MacDonald. We don't know her father's ancestry past her grandfather. However five years ago we were fortunate to win a free trip to Glasgow, Scotland so she got to see some of the old country including a stop in Glencoe. We also visited Inverarary Castle, home of the the Duke of Argyle, chief of the clan Campbell. We didn't see him but one of the ladies on the small bus tour did meet him in the castle gift shop.
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On a somewhat dubious  line I have


by anonymous G2G6 Mach 9 (98.7k points)
Ouch! If I could figure how to paste a text, I would paste the first part of his story here. His father sent 6-year-old William as a hostage to King Stephen, who threatened to catapult him over the battlements. His father replied he had the hammer and the anvils to make a better son. Not a very happy childhood.
There have been two well written biographies in recent times

The Greatest Knight by Thomas Asbridge

William Marshal  by David Couch

He does get a cameo appearance  in one of Shakespeare plays King John as the Earl of Pembroke.
Also a  TV documentary called The Greatest Knight, as well as quite a few fictional novels about him.

But alas no movie but perhaps that is for the best, as I have cringed at how Hollywood has treated historical themes in the past eg  Braveheart as above
I love that movie ... but not historically accurate, lot's of literary license.
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I would like to see a movie of the life of David Bushnell, Bushnell-1061, b. 1740 in Saybrook CT, and died in Georgia in 1826.   He lived an amazing life.  He invented a type of submarine that was used in the Revolution.  Then he invented the torpedo. He was a graduate of Yale, having sold his half of the farm to his brother, never to farm again.  He was an officer in the Revolution, in a corp known as "sappers and miners", probably the predecessor of the Army Corps of Engineers. David became one of the first members of the Society of the Cincinnati.  After the war, he went to France for an undisclosed reason, and is believed to have worked with Robert Fulton on submarine engineering.  Later, he moved to Georgia, changed his name, and practiced medicine.  You can see a replica of his submarine, called the Turtle, in Connecticut, not far from his ancestral grounds.  He was an engineering genius way ahead of his time.

David Bushnell is not known to have married, or have had any descendants.  I descend from a second cousin of his, James Bushnell, also born in Saybrook but 22 years younger.  He would certainly have known of his famous cousin.  In my movie, my ancestor would appear as a young man who entered the service as a teenager, to follow in David's footsteps. I note that my ancestor's first child was named David.
by Carolyn Adams G2G6 Mach 9 (94.7k points)
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Carolyn thank you for sharing the story of David Bushnell. His life is certainly fascinating. I added the new Revolutionary War Sticker and the Turtle, but I don’t know what Corps of Sappers and Miners is. Maybe someone can add more.

Sappers and Miners were the predecessor for the Army Corps of Engineers, as I found in the history of the Army Corps of Engineers.  I have tweaked my answer to put that in.  Thanks for adding to David's profile.  I have corrected his birthplace to Saybrook Colony, as Westbrook did not exist at the time of his birth.   The story of the turtle was often told in our family.  I've seen the replica, which is very small and not very safe for its sailors.
Hi Cousin Carolyn!

David Bushnell and I are 17th cousins through Humphrey de Bohun. Not close, but still related!
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The Lynching of My 3rd Great  Grandfather in 1863.  The perpetrators of the crime was the Klan.
by David Hughey G2G Astronaut (1.7m points)
I am ready for a movie that shows the Klan as the evil they were and are.  Call it, Death of a Nation.
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My Mumma family ancestors had a farm near Antietam / Sharpsburg.  The farm was owned by Samuel Mumma Sr.  He donated the some of the land to build the "Dunkers Church".

This was at the time of the Civil War.  The rumors came that the Confederate army was approaching the area.  So, many of the farmers in the area decided to accumulate all their valuables (mostly silver) and store them in what they believed might be a safe place.  They choose the Mumma farm house basement.

Then there was one of the biggest and bloodiest battles of the Civil War fought on their property.  The Dunker's Church was used taken over by the Confederates which they used as hospital for their wounded.

During the battle some Confederate officers ordered some soldiers to burn down the Mumma farm house.  They feared that the Union would use it for snipers to shoot their soldiers.

After the battle, the farmers returned and found the hose burnt to the ground.  The Confederates did not discover the valuables.  However, all their valuables destroyed or melted.

Many several years later (1906), a letter was sent by a Confederate soldier.  He addressed it to the "Postmaster - Sharpsburg".  He was looking for information about the owner of the farm he was ordered to burn down.  He had felt sorry for doing this deed.

The letter was intercepted by Samuel Mumma's son, who was postmaster in the area.  He replied.  Both of the letter are copied below.

Since that time the farm land has been a part of the  Antietam National Park ... it was established as memorial to the Civil War Battle.

A small area in the Park is still dedicated to the Mumma Family.  Their cemetery is fenced off within the Park.

by Bill Sims G2G6 Pilot (127k points)
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How would I go about making "All Roads Lead to Haverhill" into a movie trilogy? Well, I've got to start somewhere. Why not with my 3x great-grandfather, Jeremiah Felker?


Details in the blog.

Part 1: English side.

Part 2: French Canadian side.

Part 3: Italian side.
by Chris Ferraiolo G2G6 Pilot (805k points)
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The story of John Peter Salling is one of legends and fables. Historians doubt the accuracy of his life story which he wrote himself and submitted to the colonial governor of Virginia.

Briefly, Salling reported being captured and abducted by a party of Indians in Virginia. Some speculate that his German accent and speech may have confused his captives. He was taken as far west as the Mississippi, after which he was imprisoned by the French. He escaped capture there before starting a long, circuitous journey back to his homestead. I'm sure  Harrison Ford or Mel Gibson would be great in a movie depicting his Immigration from Germany, migration to Virginia, and subsequent adventures throughout the south. In the Monticello museum, at the foot of Thomas Jefferson's mountain home, there is a 3D model map of the local terrain from Jefferson's time which shows the location of John Peter Salling's homestead.

"John Peter Salley" is found on the above map at the junction of the North River with the Fluvanna River, just west of where it flows from the Blue Ridge Mountains. (lower left-center)

by Bill Vincent G2G6 Pilot (176k points)
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Choose your favorite movie title from her nicknames...

"Heroine of the Kanawha Valley"
"Mad Anne"
"White Squaw of the Kanawha" (probably not PC)

Plenty of the women in my ancestry were outsized characters but Mad Anne has got to top the list. Anyone know how to contact Meryl Streep's agent?
by Tom Gillespie G2G1 (1.7k points)
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Some of my ‘cousins’ from California say that my great grand aunt, Ann Davis, and her story was already in a movie.  They said the movie, Bend of the River, was about the Davis family on their way to Oregon in a wagon train.  Well, I saw the movie, and it was not historically correct and was about many other things than my family.  But the one thing that was similar to their journey was when the character of a young woman was attacked by Indians while she was cooking by the campfire.  The movie poster has an arrow in her side through her arm.  In the real story, Ann fell into the fire and was burnt on one side including her face.

I wrote the the author of the book on which the movie is based, and he said the the movie goes off from his book, but he was happy anyway to get the book used.

I have photos which I can add later.
by Dave Davis G2G1 (1.9k points)
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I really think my 9th Great Grandmother's life would make a really interesting movie. She was accused of witchcraft in 1656 and 1674.

Mary (Bliss) Parsons

by Chandra Garrow G2G6 Mach 7 (72.2k points)
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My father was a train wreck. He was a "serial entrepreneur", and never held a regular payroll job. Over the decades, he dabbled in grey market international shipping, played a part of the CB radio boom and bust of the 70's, and shipped wholesale live lobsters in the family station wagon. He bankrupted most of his own companies - most on purpose in order to capitalize on unsecured loans. He even used his sister by getting her to sign for his mortgage.

As he was dying in 2004 he told us about his other daughter - that we had never heard of. At his wake a lot of unknown folks showed up - including mobsters. Attendees had wild stories about him - a man we clearly never met. When we went through his wallet he had a half dozen IDs and credit cards in different names. If we knew more, it would make a great movie, but we will never know the full truth about his life.

by Tony Francovilla G2G2 (2.2k points)
My husband was friends with several guys like that (past friends that don't have our address or actually think all are dead).  Maybe he was one of them, LOL!
Definitely a comedy! The Coen brothers would love it!
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Many ancestors that need a movie !   Here's just one  my Pioneer 4th GG Father , James "Jimmy" Caudill, Jr.   From the Mountain Eagle, Whitesburg, Letcher County, KY Newspaper text:  "The indistinct sound of an axe broke on the ears of a stray trio of hunters from Virginia. They mustered courage for they feared Indians and peered through the thick trees to know more about it. A man was cutting logs into certain lengths and building a cabin. He had no idea there was a white man in many miles from him. They inquired his name and found it to be James Caudill, lately arrived from the border states of North Carolina or Georgia. He finished his temporary cabin and returned to the southland for his wife and family. And this woodsman was the pioneer James Caudill, Revolutionary soldier, Indian fighter, patriot and progenator of the first and largest family of this name to ever come into the hills of Kentucky.

Tab A biographical sketch of this old pioneer of the hills and his family would, if written fully, read like romance, would make a many page book, and therefore details here for want of space can only deal lightly with a few of the families, referring only slightly to the others."                                                                 My one time great Johnny Maggard learned the distilling business from some in his Caudill family in the article... he could have a movie too, but I have "talked" of him before.

by Loretta Morrison G2G6 Pilot (182k points)
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