Pre 1700 query. Assistance needed to confirm a theory re Richard Elphick b. 1627 Sussex.

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Richard Elphick has the following Details in Family Search.

Born 1627 Chiddingly Sussex Died 1683 Lewes Sussex.Family Search Code MCG8-9NS. Spouses: Elizabeth Willard married about 1648 & Mary Swane about 1655.with 12 children between them .BUT there is a 2nd Richard Elphick KZ8H-9XR who I don't dare merge as he married Elizabeth Pecknam in 1657 at Ticehurst Sussex.Two Richards,two Elizabeths. At least 3 pairs of siblings whose birth dates overlap by less than 9 months. Something is seriously wrong with these facts. Some of the detail was imported from Ancestry. Can any experienced Genealogist assist as I have done all that I can as I do not have access to Ancestry. I only ask if I am not able to get further & have never been disappointed! Thanks
in Genealogy Help by Brian Herman G2G5 (5.4k points)
Profile numbers?
Hi Marion.

At this stage, although I had started to copy across details from Family Search to Wiki, I realized that I had a problem & should not go further. This is why I did not quote the profile numbers, but instead gave the FS numbers.

Thanks for all the answers. I agree that Family Search is very useful but must be used with caution. This is a learning curve for me so the comments are appreciated

The Elphicks were. Ironmasters in Chiddingly and became very wealthy. They married into other iron industry families.

Check out Wealden iron research database.

http://www.wirgdata.org/

And 

https://archive.org/details/notesofpostmorte00greauoft/page/80/mode/2up?q=Elphick

Regards,

Ann

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Hi Brian, I had a quick look on Ancestry and there are 700+ separate family trees containing Richard Elphick, born 1627 in Chiddingly, Sussex. They variously list his spouse as one or more of Elizabeth Pecknam, Elizabeth Willard or Mary Blaskett (and perhaps others too).

We don’t consider user-submitted family trees on Ancestry, FamilySearch and similar websites to be reliable sources for people born before 1700. This is because these family trees sometimes contain errors and often aren’t based on reliable sources.

The most reliable sources are those that were created at the time the person lived, such as parish registers of baptisms/marriages/burials, wills, land records etc. You can read more about reliable sources here: Reliable sources for pre-1700 profiles in England.

For example, there is a record of marriage banns and marriage of Richard Elphick and Elizabeth Pecknam in May 1657 in the Sussex parish registers on FamilySearch here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFPW-PW9

This link to FamilySearch includes an image of the original parish register which states:

The Agreement for Marriage betweene Richard Elphick of Tysehurst husbandman and Elizabeth Pecknam of Tysehurst spinster was published three severall lords days in the parish Church of Tysehurst according to the Act for Marriage viz: first publication on the 3d of may 1657 the second may 10th the third publication may 17 and nothinge obiected against them married Richard Elphick and Elizabeth Pecknam 29 day of may 1657.

 

by I. Speed G2G6 Mach 4 (46.8k points)

There is this death record in Ticehurst 

First name(s) Richard

Last name Elphick

Age -

Birth year -

Death year 1693

Burial year 1693

Burial date 08 Aug 1693

Dedication St.Mary

Place Ticehurst

County Sussex

Country England

Notes

a poor man

Record set Sussex Burials

Category Life Events (BDMs)

Subcategory Parish Burials

Collections from England, Great Britain

Sussex Family History Group

Transcriptions © Sussex Family History Group

To I Speed

Great answer! Thanks very much. I will follow up where I can on your suggestions.
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Looking at my copy of Sussex Marriage Index for the marriages you mention above, there is a marriage

20 February 1655/6 at Denton Sussex for a Richard Elphick to Mary Swane 'of South Heighton';

and a marriage

29 May 1657 at Ticehurst for Richard Elphick to Elizabeth Pecknam.

The records for the 'marriage' of Richard Elphick to Elizabeth Willard is for "Banns only" in August 1656 at Brighton "Richard of Chiddingly" and "Elizabeth otsp", there is no record for a marriage.

Unfortunately the original registers for Chiddingly are not available to view on family search but, from the transcripts I have, there is no mention of a mother's name, the baptisms record either son or daughter of Richard Elphick.

Might I suggest that contact with the Sussex Family History Group via facebook may help to resolve the various Elphick families.
by Anonymous Baker G2G6 Mach 1 (12.3k points)
To Anonymous Baker, I Speed, Marion Poole & others. Thanks for your valuable assistance. I have decided to leave this to others who were there before me. I did not realize when I started the profiles that someone had already done them.  Even if the merges are done further investigation will have to take place as some of the children's birth dates overlap by less than 9 months. There were two Elizabeth's married to Richard Elphick's. When confirming the sources I noticed that a few siblings had been matched to the wrong Elizabeth in the past, so there is a puzzle for someone to work on in the future. Cheers

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