Two brothers named John Wingfield have been amalgamated on WikiTree

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There is many sources that indicate that John Wingfield (died 1481) and his wife Elizabeth FitzLewis had two sons named John and both survived to adulthood, but they have been amalgamated on WikiTree into one profile.  The fact that they both died in 1509 means they are easily confused.

Some sources indicating they are two different men - the will of their mother, names Sir John and John the Younger. The Visitations of Norfolk, p. 315 also indicate two sons named John, and that the eldest married Ann (Touchet) dau of Lord Audley, and the younger (fourth son) married Margaret Dorward (currently they are first and second wife on the WikiTree profile).

The Visitation of Suffolk 1561, p. 80 again names two sons called John, and the son and heir of the eldest was Sir Anthony Wingfield. The article about Dunham Magna Manor in An Essay towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk, Vol. 9 names John the Younger and his wife Margaret Dorward, and that their son and heir was Thomas Wingfield.

Although the current profile for the amalgamated John Wingfield cites various Richardson volumes, I suspect that the website by Marlyn Lewis has been viewed and not any of the Richardson books, and Marlyn has the two men confused, but is someone able to check Richardson please?

Otherwise I propose that the current profile is split into two.

WikiTree profile: John Wingfield
in Genealogy Help by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (546k points)
edited by John Atkinson
I suppose in such cases we should put a reasonably big note at the top of the profiles to warn people not to re-merge them.
Ancestry has two unsourced ideas of birth as 1451 and 1464 with both dying 1509.

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Thanks for posting John. I've just adopted the profile for Anne Tuchet's husband John Wingfield (K.B.) & his father (also John Wingfield, K.B.) for the Magna Carta Project. Richardson lists the second son of John & Elizabeth Fitz Lewis named John as "John Esq. [the younger]", but no other info.

edit - Sorry, meant to post the Richardson citation:

  • Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry (2013), volume III, pages 199-200 HANKFORD 11.
by Liz Shifflett G2G6 Pilot (549k points)
selected by Susan Laursen

I've updated the profile for John Wingfield - it's just the older brother now & there's a merge warning at the top of the profile (although his younger brother does not currently have a profile).

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