Mary Lucy Vernon born 1849 Liverpool any info on her parents or birth of her children with Sea Captain Joseph Thompson

Question

Mary Lucy Vernon had 7 children by Sea Captain Joseph Thompson of Belfast Antrim Ireland.  He was a wealthy married man since the 1850s in England to Elizabeth Ackers Smith and had 5 children who lived on an estate. They met in 1870 when Mary Lucy was just 21 and Wealthy Sea Captain Joseph Thompson who owned a fleet of ships and sailed around the world especilly to Africa.  He was 52 .  Mary became pregnant in 1872 with their first child they had two children George and Leah born in England.  Joseph sent Mary Lucy to America and set her up in a manner befitting a wealthy Captain's wife, even though no proof exist that they were ever married.  The family cannot find any Marriage record, birth records or baptism records of of their family, not one record except census and it always list them as married and her name as Mary Thompson.  They lead everyone to believe they were married.  If any one knows of anything about them or any documents that pertian only to their marriege or birth or baptism of them and their 7 children children, please let me know. Mary Lucy is the such a great mystery to our family and her relationship with Joseph.  I would greatly appreciate it.

Comments

Perhaps Mary Lucy didn't originate from Liverpool, as there is no record of a  birth  registration for  Mary Lucy Vernon (or soundex) between 1845-1850 in England or Wales!

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I wonder if she could have been born in Ireland or even the USA?  I know her name is what it says because her picture has her hand writing on it and it says her name on the back.  I did see a ship's  manifest for Mary Vernon traveling back to the USA from England and it states she is an American.  I am not sure if it's her and she is traveling with a Lady Jane Vernon.

Answer 1

England, Select Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900 about Mary Vernon

Name:	Mary Vernon
Gender:	Female
Birth Date:	15 Jul 1850
Baptism Date:	13 Oct 1850
Baptism Place:	Wallasey, Cheshire, England
Baptism Age:	0
Father:	Samuel Vernon
Mother:	Mary Vernon
FHL Film Number:	1836286

 

Comments

Most of the ancestry.com trees have this

1885 21 Feb Age: 34

Madison, Greenwood County, Kansas

Common Law Marriage after 1 year of cohabitation together after the death of 2nd wife

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1880 United States Federal Census about Mary Tompson

Name:	Mary Tompson [Mary Thompson]
Age:	32
Birth Year:	abt 1848
Birthplace:	England
Home in 1880:	Madison, Greenwood, Kansas
Race:	White
Gender:	Female
Relation to Head of House:	Wife
Marital Status:	Married
Spouse's Name:	Joseph Tompson
Father's Birthplace:	England
Mother's Birthplace:	England
Neighbors:	View others on page
Occupation:	Keeping House
Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and Dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane:	View image
Household Members:	Name Age Joseph Tompson 50 Mary Tompson 32 George Tompson 7 Leah Tompson 3 Harriette Tompson 8m

 

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Kansas State Census Collection, 1855-1925 about Mary Thompson

Name:	Mary Thompson
Census Date:	1 Mar 1885
Residence County:	Greenwood
Residence State:	Kansas
Locality:	Janesville
Birth Location:	England
Family Number:	173
Marital Status:	Married
Gender:	Female
Estimated Birth Year:	abt 1849
Race:	White
LINE:	14
Roll:	KS1885_52
Household Member(s):	Name Age Jos Thompson 60 Mary Thompson 36 George Thompson 11 Leah Thompson 7 Namord Thompson 5 Jos Thompson 3 Alfred Thompson 1

 

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UNABLE TO SCAN.  

  THE OBIT SAYS SHE DIED ON THE 12TH OF FEB, BUT RECORD HAS IT AS THE 17TH.  RESEARCH OF THIS WILL BE NEEDED TO CONFRIM THE ACTUAL DATE.

I T READS

M ARY LUCY THOMPSON DIED AT HER HOME 8 1/2 MILES WEST OF THIS CITY ON SUNDAY THE 12TH LAST.    MRS. MARY THOMPSON AT THE 46TH YEAR OF HER AGE .  MRS. THOMPSON HAD BEEN SICK FOR A LONG TIME AND DEATH CAME ALMOST AS A RELIEF.  A HUSBAND AND SIX CHILDREN ARE LEFT TO MORN THE LOSS OF A LOVING WIFE AND FIND MOTHER.

 

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New York, Passenger and Immigration Lists, 1820-1850 about Joseph Thompson

Name:	Joseph Thompson
Arrival Date:	25 May 1850
Age:	34
Gender:	M (Male)
Port of Arrival:	New York
Port of Departure:	Glasgow
Place of Origin:	Ireland
Ship:	Wm. Molesworth
Family Identification:	3384543
Microfilm Serial Number:	M237
Microfilm Roll Number:	88

 

 

Perhaps you can find the two kids on this ship?

Betty

Answer 2

Elizabeth Ackers Thompson didn't die until 1884, and as divorce in those days was difficult, frequently impossible, as men had to have grounds to divorce their wives like adultery [a wife could not divorce her husband] it is likely Mary Vernon was a mistress and never a wife. Elizabeth's death notice

Name:    Elizabeth Ackers Thompson
Event Type:    Burial
Event Date:    25 Feb 1884
Event Place:    Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales
Age:    66
Birth Year (Estimated):    1818
Spouse's Name:    
GS Film number:    
Digital Folder Number:    004385578

Citing this Record:
"Wales, Flintshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912," index, <i>FamilySearch</i> (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCT3-F5Y : accessed 30 Nov 2014), Elizabeth Ackers Thompson, 25 Feb 1884, Burial; from "Parish Records Collection 1538-2005," <i>DC Thomson</i>; Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales, p. 18; The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.