Is Charles Bernard the husband and Andrée Guyon?

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For a long time it was believed that Andrée Guyon was married to André Bernard but that theory has been debunked by genealogist Stephen White who in his Dictionnaire généalogique des familles acadiennes has Andrée Guyon married to an unknown Bernard. However, recent research seems to show that his first name was Charles and that he married Andrée Guyon in 1639 in La Rochelle (sourced) and that they had 2 children born in France (sourced) and 2 possibly born in Acadie.

Several researchers agree with this hypothesis :

*Karen Theriot Reader  Page for Andrée Guyon

*Marcel Walter Landry  Detailed explanations with images of records

*Denis Savard  Charles Bernard, l'Acadien oublié

*Fichier Origine for Guyon CHIASSON / LAVALLÉE, husband of Jeanne Bernard (daughter of Charles Bernard and Andrée Guyon)

Racines et Rameaux Français d'Acadie

The name of Andrée Guyon's husband has been changed from Unknown to Charles on his profile, and set to uncertain pending further research. His status with daughters Marie and Jeanne has also been set to uncertain.

Are there any objections to these changes, or comments?

WikiTree profile: Andrée Guyon
in Genealogy Help by Gisèle Cormier G2G6 Mach 4 (47.7k points)

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The evidence presented by these researchers is certainly tantalizing, even compelling, but as noted there is still a missing link to connect the Andrée Guyon and Charles Bernard the sailor of France with Andrée Guyon and ? Bernard of Acadia [assuming ? was ever in Acadia]. We need to make this crystal clear that it is a hypothesis, not a fact, that these two couples are the same. It also needs to be made clear that the first two supposed children, Guillaume and Dominique, are hypothetical and not proven for the Acadian couple. As it stands, the profile for Charles is entirely based on this hypothesis, but gives no hint of it until the last paragraph in the research notes, which might easily be overlooked by a casual reader.

I would suggest reorganizing the narrative somewhat, to begin with what is known about them from Acadian records, and only then to present the evidence for a possible link to a couple with similar names in France. There should be no doubt after reading the biography that these connections are not proven.

I also think citations with direct links to the records should be included, in addition to the analyses by the other researchers. That may seem redundant, but it's necessary for good genealogical reporting, and to ensure that we don't lose track of the records in the future. You never know when a site will disappear or move.

That's my two bits. Hope it helps!
by Joyce Rivette G2G6 Pilot (144k points)
selected by Stephanie Ward
Thank you so much for the helpful comments, Joyce. I will make the suggested changes.
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Here's an example of an Acadian who's parents aren't proven and how it is noticed.  Could be useful for you to adapt for a spouse in same situation.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gauthier-61

(edited to add link)
by Cindy Cooper G2G6 Pilot (229k points)
Thank you Cindy!
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Looking at this forum and the previous discussions, I was curious why Pierre Guyon and Typhaine Pannier weren't attached as (uncertain) parents of Andrée. It seems to me that if we are attaching Charles as an uncertain spouse with the exact marriage date and Guillaume and Dominique as uncertain children, then it would follow that the uncertain parents should be attached, since they are of the same level of uncertainty as the other attached hypothetical relatives.

Something to ponder that I didn't see spelled out concretely in any of the articles/previous discussions: Guillaume's godmother, Jacquette Barault, is the sister-in-law of Françoise Émard, daughter of Jean Émard and Marie Bineau, via her husband Simon's brother Jean Narp. This would put the Rochelais Charles Bernard and Andrée Guyon in the same social circles as the emigrant Émard sisters, who were in Canada within a decade. Jacquette's son Charles also emigrated to Canada in the 1650s.

by Mark Connelly G2G Crew (480 points)

That's a good point, Mark. There are multiple theories concerning her parents, and the most recent one, based on a marriage contract (not available online unfortunately) listing her parents as Pierre Guyon and Typhaine Pannier, seems like the most likely one. Per WikiTree guidelines, when there are multiple theories but one theory is more likely than others, the parents can be added, marked uncertain, and identified as Disputed and/or Uncertain Parents. This will be done. Thanks for pointing out the interesting connections between Guillaume's godmother and other immigrants to Canada. I will add your paragraph to Guillaume's profile.

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Please look up The Daily Advertiser, History of Acadiana, June 29, 1999 (Lafayette, Louisiana). Or another option is to send me a message with instructions on how to copy (and send to you) the article about Andre d'Alnay Bernard married Marie Andree Guyon in about 1616 , LaChausee, France. Marie Andree was d/o Jean Guyon and Mathurine Robiin-Boule. Their daughter, Marie married Rene Landry, and their other daughter married Joseph Guyon Chiasson

I realize that this may not have any bearing on the on-going discussion; however it seems to be sufficiently pertinent to give it some attention. BTW: my G-Grandmother was Elizabeth Leocadie Bernard, wife of Leonard Constantin.It is not clear as to whether Andre and Andree had other children.

Thanks.

Milton J Constantin
by Milton J Constantin G2G Rookie (290 points)
Andrée wasn't the daughter of Jean Guyon and Mathurine Robin. As the current profile states: "A connection to Jean Guyon and Mathurine Robert is fictional."

Andrée and Mathurine had different mtDNA haplogroups:

http://www.francogene.com/triangulation/TRI0018.php

http://www.francogene.com/triangulation/TRI0045.php
Hi Milton,

I would like to have a copy of the article, if possible.  I can't access it online because a subscription is needed. It would be interesting to see how they came to the conclusion that Andrée was their daughter. I will contact you by email.  More recent research has shown other possible parents for her. Thanks.
It doesn't look like the Newspapers.com version of the newspaper digitized this section (although there is a banner at the top of the front page saying the History of Acadiana was to be in that day's edition).

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