Thank you very much. and yes please, I would appreciate the links to the baptisms. I'm down to my last functioning brain cell! If LMJ Swart was b1852, which will be correct, then she was months old when her father escaped his marriage with Rachel. FS profiile shows That Rachel Elizabeth v Rooyen d Albany d.Albany,1852. Nou hoe nou? David Isak d.2/4/1979. There must have been some info of death. I tried searching National Archives but obviously did it wrong. Ag tog! Again many thanks.