William Floyd of Wake Co. NC and Elbert Co. GA: Should Floyd-759 and Floyd-4453 be merged?

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I am seeking a consensus view on whether or not the profiles of Floyd-759 and Floyd-4453 should be merged.

Our policy on merging

Help:Merging says that, when two or more profiles represent the same person, they must be merged into one profile. Each person should have only one profile.

The profiles

Floyd-759 and Floyd-4453 both relate to someone named William Floyd. Both profiles indicate that William Floyd:

  • was born about 1750
  • married Sarah King before 1784
  • had children named Lewis, Sarah and Jabez
  • moved from North Carolina to Georgia with his family
  • died in or after 1809, possibly in Elbert County

The profiles contain differing information about:

  1. His possible place of birth
  2. His possible parents
  3. Whether Robert Floyd (Floyd-116) was his son or brother
  4. Other biographical information (e.g,  his Revolutionary War service record and his wife’s brother-in-law, Timothy Carrington)

Questions and issues

I am seeking views on whether Floyd-759 and Floyd-4453 represent the same person and, therefore, should be merged.

If the profiles should be merged, then I am also seeking views on how to resolve inconsistencies between the two profiles when merging them. To facilitate discussion on G2G, my comments on four main differences are set out below. I have discussed these profiles with the profile managers.

1. His place of birth

There is no clear evidence about where he was born.

Floyd-4453 lists his birthplace as Loudoun, Virginia, and this is marked as uncertain. His wife’s family came from Loudon, so this is theoretically possible, but no source has been found to support it. There were William Floyds born in Virginia at about this time, but they appear to be different people.

Floyd-759 lists his birthplace as Northampton, North Carolina. This is also marked as uncertain. This information comes from “Saga of William and Sarah King Floyd” (1986) (source 22). I am told this is a set of research notes donated to the Floyd county library in Georgia and it doesn’t cite a source for this information. We therefore need to be cautious about relying on it as source: see United States Project Reliable Sources.

There is no compelling evidence for either birthplace. The simplest option to resolve the conflicting information might be leave his field blank and to explain both sides of the argument in the narrative section of the profile.

2. His parents

Neither profile reaches a firm conclusion about the names of his parents. Floyd-759 indicates they might be Thomas and Ann Floyd of Wake Co, North Carolina. Floyd-4453 points to a belief that his parents were a John Floyd of Virginia and Ann Mathews, and explains this is the subject of ongoing research.

This issue might be resolved by not connecting any parents to his profile until more conclusive evidence is found, and explaining the available information and sources in the narrative section of the profile.

3. Whether Robert Floyd was his son or brother

There is conflicting information about whether Robert Floyd (Floyd-116) was William Floyd’s son or brother. He is currently connected as the son of Floyd-4453. However, Floyd-759 describes him as William’s brother.

The available sources do not confirm how he was related. He is not named as one of William Floyd’s children in a deed he signed in 1809, giving his belongings to his three children Lewis, Jabez and Sally.

Despite the lack of direct evidence, there are several factors suggesting he was related:

  • He was born in North Carolina in about 1776 and moved to Georgia at about the same time as William Floyd and other family members.
  • In 1810, he held land next to William’s son Jabez and his wife’s relatives, the Carringtons in Elbert Co, Georgia.
  • In 1828, some years after William’s  death, Robert is recorded as paying property taxes for Sarah Floyd (presumably William’s widow).

The simplest option might be to leave Robert Floyd connected as William Floyd’s son, for this relationship to be marked as uncertain, and for both sides of the argument to be explained in narrative section of the profile. This approach would be consistent with Help:Resolving a Disagreement which states “it is not WikiTree policy to disconnect uncertain or unproven parents. This is why we have the Uncertain indicator for mothers and fathers.”

4. Other biographical information

If the two profiles are merged and their biographies combined, we will also need to resolve conflicting information about:

  • William Floyd’s Revolutionary War service record. Floyd-4453 indicates he served during the war (see its Biography and note 3), but Floyd-759 disputes this infotmation (see its Research Notes).
  • The date his wife’s brother-in-law, Timothy Carrington (Carrington-243), moved from Virginia to North Carolina. Floyd-759 says he moved in 1778 (see note 2 and Research Notes) and Floyd-4453 says he did not move until after 1782 (see Biography and note 4a).
(Edited to add "William Floyd of Wake Co. NC and Elbert Co. GA" to question.)
WikiTree profile: William Floyd
in Genealogy Help by I. Speed G2G6 Mach 3 (39.6k points)
edited by I. Speed

To me, both profiles are incomprehensible at the moment. Floyd-4453 seems to have serious issues with its sources (see comments). 

However, there are payments from Wm Floyd to Wm Floyd (see the images on the right side), so there were certainly two contemporaneous Wm Floyds, it's just a matter of finding out the data surrounding them. 

I'm going to give the AGBI a quick look

Two AGBI hits for Virginia Wm Floyd. 

Per "Kendall family in American. 1919", there is a Wm. Floyd who m. Esther Kendall of Virginia on April 14, 1772. 

The book also records Esther Kendall m. Wm. Dixon 29 Dec 1784, but does not say whether or not this is the same Esther Kendall.

The other record in the AGBI is William Floyd who is reported as being in the 11th regiment of Virginia. (You can view the record here).

About the 11th regiment:

Organized February 1777 from Loudoun, Frederick, Prince William, and Amelia Counties.

I can't comprehend this muster at all though, I think I'd need a printed copy in front of me to line up the tables. 

There also appears to be another William Floyd from Virginia - Drummer William Floyd in the 2nd regiment who d. b. Feb 1778 (see search here). I'll look into the drummer because there's an AGBI record about him as well. 

There is a will of John Floyd of Northampton, N.C. dated Aug 3 1756 leaving land in Virginia to his son Moruse, as well as naming a son William.

There is a William Floyd in N.C. who m. Christian White Mch 10 1779.

There is another William Floyd in N.C. who m. Roady Lane June 20, 1795. 

(all three from North Carolina Historical and Genealogical Register, Jan. 1900-July 1903.)

There are about at least 4-5 William Floyds in NC, VA, GA region during this time period. I would start from scratch on each and see what you can do to disambiguate them, because I certainly haven't found anything useful. 

Thank you E. Yes, I agree—there was more than one William Floyd in VA, NC and GA region during this period.

When looking at this, my starting point is John and Mary King of Loudoun Co, VA. John died in 1784-5 and Mary in 1790. Among the children named in their wills are (1) Sarah, the wife of William Floyd, and (2) Winny, the wife of Timothy Carrington (sources 8 and 13 of Floyd-759).

William Floyd and Timothy Carrington can be traced to NC and between 1778 and 1780 they both received land grants on the Brier Creek in Wake Co (sources 2 and 7 of Floyd-759).

In 1786-7, William Floyd sold his land in NC and Timothy Carrington was granted land in GA (sources 9 and 12 of Floyd-759). And by 1810 members of the Floyd and Carrington families owned adjoining properties in Elbert Co, GA (sources 2 and 3 in Floyd-116).

In 1809, William Floyd of Elbert Co, GA, signed a deed giving some of his belongings to three children and he died sometime before 1816 (see abstracts of deeds in Floyd-759).

His possible war service is an interesting aspect of his story, but doesn’t change the overall narrative. I agree, there seems to have been at least two William Floyds who served Virginia:

  • William Floyd, private, of the Virginia Line. He is shown in the muster roll dated 7 Dec 1780 of Capt Nathan Reid’s Company under Col William Davies.
  • William Floyd, drummer, of the 2nd Virginia Regiment. He served in Capt William Taylor’s Company and died Feb/March 1778.

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Ian, as you noted, there were two William Floyd's.  I don't know if these two were intended to be for different men, as they each have information that applies to the man that married Sarah King.  I see this 'discussion' has been ongoing for a few months.  It seems the best thing to do is assign the lowest-numbered Floyd to Sarah's husband and put the information that relates to them on that profile.  Then assign the other one to the alternate William Floyd.  
Certainly they could be merged and the other information put into research notes.  I would lean towards merging them if no other information (other than military service) is known about the second William Floyd.  If in fact there is proof of each of the set of parents having a son named William, then I would go with my first comment.

In cases where a date and/or place of birth is unknown and has conflicting data amongst researchers, I tend to choose one, mark it uncertain, and add notes to the bio about the other possibility.  If Sarah, as you say, was in Virginia, then unless her family had moved to North Carolina, William is likely also from Virginia.

You can put copious research notes on the new profile for others to research and attempt to resolve.  The issues of military service and when a brother moved don't need to be resolved immediately.

In the case of conflicting parents, if it can't be determined which set is correct, then neither set should be attached.  A note should go (at the top of the bio) as to his parents being unknown, with links to the two different sets of profiles.

There is a lot of information in those sources to peruse...

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