my grandfather was thomas haworth b 1907 blackburn lancs n his father john t haworth any help?

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john t haworth married annie E haworth in 1896 i'm struggling still with john t as there are quite a few and can't seem to go from this
in Genealogy Help by Anonymous Haworth G2G Crew (470 points)

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about John Thomas Haworth

Name: John Thomas Haworth
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 10 Aug 1896
Marriage Place: St Paul'S, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Father: James Haworth
Spouse: Annie Elizabeth Graham
FHL Film Number: 1470928
 
   
 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

 

Name: John Haworth
Baptism Date: 9 May 1906
Parish: Astley Bridge, St Paul
Parish as it Appears: Astley Bridge
Father's Name: James Haworth
Mother's name: Alice Haworth
Reference Number: GB127.L83/1/1/4

 

Here is the 1911 Census that Wayne mentions.

1911 Cenus

4 Answers

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Found no Thomas Haworth,Farher John T.Haworth, Blackburn,Lancashire.

Did find this Thomas Hasworth 1911 Census ,Father John Haworth, Mother

Mary Fanny Haworth. Blackburn Lancashire,
by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (915k points)
no, thomas haworth's mother was Annie E Haworth also born of blackburn. Thomas has a sister Edith b 1904 and a brother John b 1902.
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There are a number of Thomas Haworth's born around 1907 in the Blackburn registration district, but none specifically 1907. Likewise a number of John t Haworths around 1870, but only one 1870, the detail of which was answered to previous  in an earlier question.

Indeed A John t  Haworth married 1896, Blackburn-- Annie Elzabeth Graham. Was that the John t born 1870, father of Thomas? Frankly not sure.

My advice is to work away from the latest and specifically known parent /grandparent and review the certified copy of their marriage certificate. This document will be specific on the partner's fathers & there occupation. Work back from that evidence through census and try to resolve.

Feel free to contact me through my wikitree profile & I will gladly try to assist you in finding your ancestry through the many John & Thomas Haworths.

Ron
by R W G2G6 Pilot (259k points)
its is yes them that married in 1896, quite confusing as thomas and johns still run today in my family, will try what you've suggested and many thanks for the help.
Have you there certified copy of marriage?
i do yes
i do know that john t father was james n mother was margaret, was trying to see where john t was located seems to go quiet in the years before he married
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my gosh , what a chore,found this on Find My Past,1911 England,Wales & Scotland

Census Transcription.There are a lot of Haworth out there

John T, Haworth born 1870, Gurde. Cotton Weaver. Wife Annie E. born 1868

Blackburn ,son John born 1902 Blackburn, daughter Edith born 1904 Blackburn,

Thomas born 1907 Blackburn.

Do not know why cannot find in U.K.Census collection.
by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (915k points)
this was my problem, did have some help ffrom libuary as gurde is actually guide. still searching the previous census for them
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Haworths of Blackburn

As you are sure that John  Thomas is the son of James and Margaret, then the family unit are found, 1871, living at 71 Salford ,Blackburn:

1871 Census

NAME

AGE

James Haworth

30

Margaret Haworth

28

John Haworth

2

   

 

James is described as a Master Butcher.

In 1881, it appears that James has died as Margaret with sons still living at 71 Salford , where she is described as a widow and Butcher

1881 Census

NAME

AGE

Margt. Haworth

38

John Haworth

12

James Haworth

8

 

Clearly John Thomas was not born in 1870, rather 1868 or 1869.

Three candidates are possible:

Blackburn: 8e/342 q June 1868

                    8e/305 q December 1868

                    8e/368 q June 1869

I have unable to trace John Thomas in 1891 & 1901 or his mother Margaret. 

by R W G2G6 Pilot (259k points)

Now John Thomas’, father James, born around 1840 from 1871 census.

James in 1861, Census:

NAME                  AGE

John Haworth         23

Alice Haworth           3

Jane Steel              39

Edward Haworth    58

Jane Haworth         59

James Haworth       20

Christopher Haworth   17

 

James is described as a butcher

 

Now 1851 Census:

NAME                       AGE

Edmund Haworth         69

Jane Haworth               67

Sarah Haworth             20

Mary Ann Haworth       18

Edmund Haworth         16

John Haworth               14

James Haworth             11

Christopher Haworth       7

Jane Steel                      27

 

Notice Edward is now Edmund but Jane Steel is still in the profile. Edmund & Jane’s age seem strange, but in 1851 census not reliable

And now the 1841 Census:

NAME

AGE

Edwd Haworth

35

Jane Haworth

35

Thos Haworth

15

Samuel Haworth

15

William Haworth

13

Sarah Haworth

11

Mary Ann Haworth

8

Edward Haworth

5

James Haworth

1

Jane Steele

15

John Haworth

3

 

Note James’s father is back to Edward, & Jane Steele is in the profile.

Jane is the confirmation that they are the same family unit BUT

 

England Birth & Christenings records these baptisms at St. Pauls, Blackburn:

James Haworth b 30 January 1840, christened 27 February 1840, EdWARd Howarth & Jane.

James Haworth b 28 January 1840, christened 23 February 1840, EdMUNd Howarth & Jane.

????

 

James married Margaret Hindle ( Blackburn 8e/305, q March 1865).

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