I have a Y: J-PF5456. Can someone tell if it is of jewish origin?

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can someone tell me anything about Y: J-PF5456

- is it jewish or is it something else?

 

 

best regards

Mr. Niels Hansen, Denmark
in Genealogy Help by Niels Erik Tommy Kondrup Hansen G2G Crew (340 points)
retagged by Doug Lockwood
My father is that Haplogroup. I am fairly certain it predates the jewish religion. Therefore you will have some Jews with it and also non-Jews with it...

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Hi Niels, Here is my personal opinion, though I do not know if it is accurate.  Judaism is a religion and therefore, not in our DNA.  A belief system is not genetic.

My brother, surname Cooper, is also a J (J-Z2217 to be exact.)  These J genetic families originated long millennia before Judaism, or any other belief system for that matter.  So think of your haplogroup as your ancient origins, long before surnames were invented and therefore, not documented in a record anywhere.  

The J-Z2217 haplogroup formed about 16,000 to 20,000 years ago.  The J-PF5456 haplogroup is more recent at around 2800 to 3000 years ago.  In your case, people of a Judeo-Christian belief could be part of this haplogroup, but as I said, your yDNA is much older than surnames, so I don't think you can know if your ancient ancestors were Jewish.  

by Kitty Smith G2G6 Pilot (531k points)
selected by Dawn Ellis
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In a search for "Wikipedia Y chromosome J-PF5456", these are the first two hits:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M172

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2013/12/13/000802.full.pdf
by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.1m points)
hi Frank thanks for answering. It is a little difficult for an amateur as me to know the text.

Can you explain if my PF5456 could be of jewish origin? I would be very glad then.

It's difficult for me also. There must be "resource persons" who can be helpful, possibly one or more of the following:

Searches related to Resources for Jewish DNA genealogy

 

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Our current DNA project leaders are Kitty Smith and Kay Wilson. They may be able to help you. Also, Peter Roberts is very knowledgeable in the DNA field.

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:DNA
by Debby Black G2G6 Mach 8 (81k points)
Hi Debby, Niels already contacted Kitty and me.  I recommended that he ask on G2G to see what other members might be able to provide.  I see that AJ Jacobs also reports the same Haplogroup on his yDNA test, which may be a clue.  And I suggested that Niels contact Family Tree DNA to see if they can give him any other information.
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Halplogroups are not usually confined to one group of people.  Haplotypes usually are. I recommend you add your results to YSearch and add your YSearch ID to your DNA tests page in WikiTree.

Sincerely, Peter
by Peter Roberts G2G6 Pilot (524k points)
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I'm J-PF5456 and I'm Jewish, from Tunisia. However one of the higher level subclade above J-PF5456 is J-L24, which is estimated to have emerged between 8 and 12,000 years ago - i.e. well before the emergence of monotheistic religions. So even though J-PF5456 would be slightly more recent than that, it's likely that extant J-PF5456 individuals today are widely dispersed and belong to many different religions.

In other words, you can't answer the question with the data you have (assuming that by "Jewish" you mean "ethnically Jewish", which is itself a somewhat vague concept when applied to individuals as opposed to entire populations).
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My father is J-PF5456. He is not Jewish.
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Niels,

I am also J-PF5456 and come from Sephardic roots in Spain and Morocco. Keep in mind that our nation has been persecuted for thousands of years and many have assimilated into other religions by external forces or have abandoned faith altogether. Your ancestors may have been Jews but it is ultimately up to you to be a Jew today. Each generation has its challenges. Read the Torah and the Tanakh as well as the works of Maimonides like Mishne Torah book 1, then the Guide of the Perplexed, it will bring you closer to the knowledge, understanding  and relationship with G-d you seek.
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Existe el término Judío, que muchos usan para referirse al antiguo pueblo de Israel. El antiguo pueblo de Israel sus haplogrupos son indentificados, los fundadores son E y J, principalmente.  Con una prueba genetica Big-Y puedes saber con mucha exactitud si eres descendiente del antiguo Israel. pero eso no te hace Judío hoy, pues el actual Estado de Israel establece que un Judio es reconocido por madre Judia o por conversión.  Hoy en día se han adherido una serie de nuevos haplogrupos no tradicionales que vienen de los new Judíos por conversión, como ejemplo los Jazaros, que son un grupo muy representativo.  Eres descendiente del antiguo pueblo de Israel, pero no eres Judio, para serlo puedes convertirte al Judaismo, pero es casi imposible, pues no es una prioridad para ellos y no son muy amables, no te esperan, casi siempre son los grupos ortodoxos los más complejos en aceptar bnei anusim, pero dura mucho el proceso y es muy dificil.  Si realmente quieres ser reconocido por tu genetica Israelita, te sugiero buscar otras vertientes del Judaismo, como son los Reformistas y Conservadores, que son un poco más sensibles ante los descendientes del pueblo antiguo de Israel.  Shalom.

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