17th century English Immigrant in Leiden.

Question

My 9th Great grandmother Marya/Maria/Marijtje Have/Haverer/Haack married Pieter Thoma(s/sz) in 1669 in Leiden. In this record (See link below) She is listed as being born in Norwits (Norwich). Her mother is listed as Jannetge Loveny.

In 1654, Jannetge is listed as Jenne Lempereur, here she is marrying her second husband and is listed as being the widow of Nathaniel Have (See second link below).

I believe Nathaniel and Jannetge (Jenne) are the parents of Maria however having no experience in English genealogy and not getting further than Familysearch with no luck I wounder if any of you might be able to help/point me in the right direction?

Thank you.

Link 1 (Marriage Pieter and Marya)

https://www.erfgoedleiden.nl/collecties/personen/zoek-op-personen/deeds/3c50aee1-e13c-b66d-b1cf-2dce84dcf34b?person=19417c5f-11e3-8f06-7f59-b764c882e19b

Link 2 (Marriage Jannetge [Jenne])

https://www.erfgoedleiden.nl/collecties/personen/zoek-op-personen/deeds/a27ca776-2f1c-0a08-bb2d-eacb9775f765?person=e7669fd9-a553-5e02-9e29-89df23e0fc8e

Answer 1

Here's a possibility

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Norfolk Baptisms

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First name(s)	Mary
Last name	Heve
Sex	Female
Baptism year	1634
Baptism date	25 Mar 1634
Parish	Norwich, St Peter Parmentergate
Diocese	Norwich
Father's first name(s)	William
County	Norfolk
Country	England
Archive	Norfolk Record Office
Archive reference	PD 162/2
Archive year range	1538-1669
Record set	Norfolk Baptisms
Category	Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory	Parish Baptisms
Collections from	England, Great Britain

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Comments

It's very possible that this family were immigrants TO Norwich, where they worked in the textile industry. See: https://norfolkrecordofficeblog.org/2016/06/24/strangers-a-brief-history-of-norwichs-incomers/

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Having read the article I summize that it would be possible that Maria's family (ancestors) could have immigrated too Norwich (from mainland Europe), lived there a while and then she (with parents?) later moved to the Netherlands?

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Very likely. From around 1630 to 1640 there was repression of the "stranger churches" and some of the clothworkers moved away.

Anyway, searching for the names, I found there were quite a number of variations on the spelling, but the variant names were rather common, suggesting a community or at least a family group.