Should the parents of Ralph Wallen (Wallen-2) be removed & his birth location changed to just “England”?

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This profile currently identifies Ralph Wallen (Wallen-37) and Margaret Lawson (Lawson-216) as the parents of Wallen-2 & identifies his birth location as Halton, Lancashire, England.  As noted in the profile, there was an older Ralph Wallen who married Margaret Lawson at All Saints Parish in Rotherham, West Riding, Yorkshire on 13 Jul 1578; but also, a Ralph “Wollin” who married Margaret Woodruff in the same parish in 1600.  If those two are the same person, this older Ralph Wallen was still living in Yorkshire after the younger Ralph Wallen (Wallen-2) was supposedly born in Lancashire.  No reliable source is cited to support the claims either that the older Ralph Wallen ever moved to Lancashire or that he was the father of the younger Ralph Wallen (Wallen-2).  The current profile cites only “family tradition” without any explanation for these claims & so far as I can tell the only cited source in the profile which makes them is the Rootsweb posting by Hawley, which itself cites no sources.

In contrast, several carefully researched treatments of Ralph Wallen (Wallen-2) and his wife Joyce (Unknown-248038) cited in the profile agree that “[n]othing is known of their English background.” Rue at 47; see also GMB: 1620-1633, at 1915 (origin listed as “Unknown”); Banks at 165 (“Nothing is known of their English origin….”).  

Based on this, I propose to remove the links to these parents and change the birth location for Ralph Wallen (Wallen-2) to just “England.”  I would also make a few other clean-up edits consistent with those changes in the bio.  If anyone disagrees, please weigh in.  Thanks!
WikiTree profile: Ralph Wallen
in Genealogy Help by Scott McClain G2G6 Mach 1 (10.9k points)
recategorized by Chet Snow
Loving all this Wallen analysis you're doing, Scott. As long as there is a good disputed origins section that reflects all this, including links to the previously detached profiles, I support the detachment.

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Again, as this involves detaching parents of a family involved in the PGM and Mayflower descendants, I have recategorized to ask for Research assistance for anyone with English resources - Genealogy Help.  Thanks!
by Chet Snow G2G6 Mach 5 (50.2k points)
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Transcriptions of the parish records of Halton, Lancashire are available from 1592 on the Lancashire Online Parish Clerks, but apart from a Henry Waller, son of Thomas Waller, baptised 1595/96 and an Anthony Waller who married in 1595, records for the Wallen family members don't appear to begin in the records until the late 17th/ early 18th century.

The premise that Ralph Wallen who emigrated can't be the son of the Ralph Wallen and his wife Margaret, from Yorkshire, because he was born in Lancashire would seem to be a problem because there appears to be no evidence that any members of the Wallen family lived in Halton in the late 16th/early 17th centuries.  

by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (455k points)
To clarify, my concern is that there is no reliable source for the claim that Ralph Wallen (Wallen-2) is the son of Ralph Wallen (Wallen-37) OR that he was born in Lancashire.  The fact that there were no Wallens in Lancashire in the late 16th/early 17th centuries confirms my concern; it makes clear that the claim of his birth location in Lancashire is likely incorrect.  It is still possible that Ralph Wallen (Wallen-2) was the son of Ralph Wallen (Wallen-37) (and born in Yorkshire rather than Lancashire), but that is entirely speculative.  There does not appear to be any evidence to support it, other than the fact that they had the same name.

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