I found my Great Grandfather but I can't find his family any suggestions on how I can find them?

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Great Grandfather Fritz Fred Johnson (Dietrich actual last name we believe)  Birth: 1890 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony, Germany as far as we know. Possible Names For Parents: Diedrick Dietrich and Emma Dietrich (Crow). Also, a marriage certificate said Fritz was from Java, Germany. Thank you.
in Genealogy Help by Tina Johnson G2G Crew (650 points)

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I found a Declaration of Intention from 1914 in the District of Vermont for a Fred Johnson born on 25 January 1890 in “Gevar”, Germany. This is probably referring to Jever, as Dieter suggested, and is north of Oldenburg.

It says he immigrated from Bremen, Germany and landed in Ellis Island in July 1909. He was living in Bellows Halls, Vermont. He signed his name “Fred Jahnson”.

I also found a Veteran Cemetery Record from Maine for a Fred Johnson born in 1890 in Germany. Like the Declaration of Intention above, Fred is listed as a cook. His address was Waterville, Maine. He died on 25 September 1939 in Torrington, Connecticut due to coronary occlusion and was buried 3 days later in Pine Grove Cemetery.

I found that marriage record you were talking about from 12 February 1918. His parents are listed as Diedrich Johnson and Emma Crow, both from Germany. His mother’s maiden name was probably Kroh or Krahe, since those are the German forms. He worked as a baker’s cook in Bellows Falls, Vermont.

He lived in a home for disabled veterans in Togus, Maine from 16 September 1932 until 18 November 1933. Multiple disabilities are listed. From census information and other records he immigrated sometime between 1906-1909.
by Stephen Sanders G2G6 Mach 1 (17.4k points)
selected by Tina Johnson
I checked it again today, also Oldenburg und Jade and the boroughs of Jever but I couldn't find the mentioned persons
I tried looking for him in New York passenger lists too but couldn’t find him at all.
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Hi Tina,

there exist no location in Germany named Java; could at be Jever (like the beer)?
by Dieter Lewerenz G2G Astronaut (3.1m points)
I searched in archion the birth records between 1884-1894; there he is not born. There are some Dieterichs and Diedrich, but they have other first names.
Could you please provide the mentioned marriage certificate.

Fritz and Fred are short forms for the same german name Friedrich. Is Jahnson a first name or a surname: As first name it could be Johann or Johannes, as surname Johansen.

Diedrick is also not a German first name; i think you mean Diedrich; but that means his name was Diedrich Diedrich.

Crow is also not a German surname.

I would like to read the certificate, maybe there is some misspelling/missreading.
She may mean that Dietrich was his original surname but changed it to Johnson.
Could you look in the archives again for a Fritz/Friedrich Janson born in January 1890 in Jever (near Oldenburg) to a Diedrich Janson and Emma Kroh/Krahe?
I have looked through the births in Jever so far, but there was not the right one. One fits maybe (but I don't think so):

Fritz Jansen *14 Dec 1888 (~28 May 1890) father: worker Johann Jansen, mother: Anna Gerhardine Wäken (location Moorwarfen)

The problem is also that there are a lot of Jansens and the baptisms take place up to three years after the birth. I'll look through it again tomorrow, maybe I missed something.

Thank you Dieter and Stephen. Wow I really appreciate the help. I didn't expect so much help I am greatful. As far as I know my Great Grandfather's first name was Fritz officially but here in the states he like to go by Fred but it could have been Friedrich. As for Johnson it is not our true last name. The story goes he told his second wife Johnson was the last name of the man he worked for in Boston (see * below for more). Diedrich is the last name our family thinks is Fritz's true last name. I was told once by someone it probably is Jever not Java so I think that may be right. I also was told he worked on the ship that brought him over. He wasn't a passenger. Philadelphia was the ships name we believe. He lived in VT with his 1st wife Lottie and in Maine with his 2nd Esther. *This may help you... Johnson/Dietrich Family history Fritz Dietrich was born in Oldenburg Germany 25 January 1890. He immigrated to America in 1909 and first lived in Boston. He worked for a man named Johnson and since Germans were not well liked he changed his name to Fred Johnson but still used the name Fritz on all official documents. He joined the Army and was a cook during the Mexican conflict before World War I fighting Poncho Villa. He also served in the 1st Vermont National Guard Infantry during World War I when the U.S. entered the war in April 1917 and was naturalized in 1918 while based on Gordon Military Base in Augusta Georgia.

He married Lottie May Royce around 1918 and had a son named Howard born in 1919. They lived in Windham Vermont in 1920. Lottie was born 4/4/1891 in New Hampshire and died 3/18/1994 in New Hampshire.

He married Esther Viola Pederson around 1922 probably in Madison Maine.

Here is what I have for information on birth and death... 

Birth: January 25, 1890
Oldenburg, Lower Saxony, Germany
Death: September 25, 1939 (49)
Torrington, Litchfield County, Connecticut, United States (stroke)

I can share the manager certificate photo if you still need it. Regards, Tina J.


 
I searched Oldenburg again for Diedrich, but found nothing corresponding.
What I do not understand at the moment is what is meant by Jever. Was he born in Oldenburg and lived in Jever?

His Declaration of Intention states that he came here on the SS Grosser Kurfürst (later called the USS Aeolus).

https://imgur.com/a/TrTDyso

The marriage index mention of him and his second wife lists her name as “Esther V Frithiof” not Pedersen. The actual spelling was “Fritiof”. She was born in Koppenham, Sweden on 25 Jan 1903. They were married on 31 Dec 1923 in Madison, Maine.

I could not find a Fritz, Friedrich, or Fred with the last name Diedrich, Dietrich, Diederich, or Johnson living in Boston at the 1910 census that would match. It is possible he isn’t included in that census or he had a different surname.

You can try calling US Citizenship and Immigration Services to see if you can obtain his naturalization records. A record search will cost money ($65 if I remember correctly). The records should include his birth name though. Tell them when and where he got naturalized and if they would have his records. I figure they should since he got naturalized while in the military.

If you create a profile for him on here then I can add the sources that I have found, including his Declaration of Intention. I managed to find many records for him.

Dieter, according to his Declaration of Intention he was both born in Jever and living there before immigrating.

https://imgur.com/a/TrTDyso

I proffed the records from Jever 1890-1892, but no Fritz/Fred/Friedrich Diedrich (Dietrich, Dierks, Dieck).

I also proofed the Catholic records on matricula -nothing.
Perhaps Diedrich wasn’t his birth surname then. Are there any records for a Fritz or Friedrich who was born on 25 Jan 1890/1891?
Only one birth recorded in Jever Lutheran Church on 25 Jan 1891 (none in 1890); a Heinrich.

In the Catholic Church in Jever only one birth recorded on 25 Jan 1891 (none in 1890); a Wilhelm.

Both churches searched until 1893.

I suspect that he may have been born in Jever but baptized in one of the surrounding villages, or that he was from one of the surrounding villages but listed Jever as his birthplace because it was the next larger town.

Thank you again for all that you have done. Need anything else let me know. Tina J

I am new to Wikitree so I hope I did everything right. I did read instructions and created a profile for my Great Grandfather so you could attach the documents you have if you like. I would love to see them. I copied the ID/Link/URL:   [[Dietrich-1779|Fritz  (Dietrich) Johnson (1890-1939)]]

As for Jever it is list as his birth place on this marriage certificate that you ask about once before. 

His Oldenburg birth place information came from someone else's research. Possible his second family. Not sure: Oldenburg, Lower Saxony, Germany

I believe Dieter has already looked at records in Oldenburg but could not find anything relevant. I agree with him that your great-grandfather may have been born in a different village, most likely one right near Jever.

I will add the sources as soon as I get home from work. A lot of them are from Ancestry.com so you will probably not be able to see them unless you are a paid subscriber. If you aren’t and you would like to see them, I can download any that you are interested in and send them to you.
Jever belonged from 1815-1918 to the Grand Duchy Oldenburg and 1919-1946 to the Free State Oldenburg. I think that's why Oldenburg is mentioned.
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I think I have him. I found the birth record in Sillenstede (7 km east of Jever)

Oldenburg: Archiv der Evang.-Luth. Landeskirche > Sillenstede > Taufen 1876-1898

List of those born and baptized in the parish of Sillenstede in 1890:

No. 9

Born: 25 Jan 1890 in Westerhausen, Municipalty Sengwarden

Baptised: 26 May 1890 in Sillenstede

Name: Friedrich

Parents: Diedrich Janssen, Arbeiter (Worker) in Sillenstede and Ebbe Hinrike geb. (nee) Rave

Godparents: Friedrich Janssen, Heinrich Rave, Marie Janssen.
by Dieter Lewerenz G2G Astronaut (3.1m points)
In former times Sengwarden belonged to the district Jever, today it is part of the city Wilhelmshaven.
This is a great find! The mother's surname doesn't match with what is on his marriage record but everything else matches up perfectly.
Mother's birth name could also be Kave, but compared to other names with an "R" at the beginning, it's more of an "R".

And the names are not that far apart. You have to remember that when the people came to America, they probably didn't speak English and explained to the registrar that it was the name of a black bird.
Rave = Lower German language for Rabe (English Raven) and a crow is a raven bird.
Fair enough!
Wow! Wow! Wow! My head is spinning! I can’t believe what I am seeing. Amazing thank you so very much! I can’t wait to share with family your discoveries! It has been such a long journey and I thought I may never find the home of my family’s roots in Germany but I believe you have done that for me and in just a matter of days! Thank you again for everything... your time, your expertise, your kindness and everything now attached to my Great Grandfather’s profile. I can’t wait to look at all the documents. My best to you and yours. Take care. Tina J
You may want to change the birth surname of your great-grandfather from Dietrich to Janssen. You can do that by clicking the edit tab on his profile. There will be an “Edit” link next to “Last Name at Birth”.

I am going to look through newspaper articles on Newspapers.com to see if I can find any mentions of him. All the documents that I have managed to find so far are on his profile.
Thank you Stephen that be fantastic if you don’t mind continuing the search. I will definitely change Great Papa Fritz’s  name. Have a nice evening.
Thank you so much for everything Dieter. You have given me the greatest gift. I greatly appreciate your help and kindness. Take care. Tina
I just want to thank you Stephen once again for everything you have done to help me find my family in Germany. I will be forever great full for your help and kindness. I changed my Great Grandfather birth last name on his profile so it should be all set. Have a Nice Evening. Tina J.
It was my pleasure, Tina!

Good Afternoon Dieter & Stephen,

I have access for a limited time to German Records. I have been looking but so far I haven't found records I believe belong to anyone listed below...

Search Results from our first chat:

Name: Friedrich Janssen

Parents: Diedrich Janssen, Arbeiter (Worker) in Sillenstede and Ebbe Hinrike geb. (nee) Rave

Godparents: Friedrich Janssen, Heinrich Rave, Marie Janssen.

...I don't seem to be accomplishing much. I have pulled up fire insurance records in my searches which I thought was a strange source of info but I could be wrong. Could you help point in the right direction? Maybe suggest what to search? Thank you again. Tina

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