I need help with a Norwegian marriage record

Question

Hello! I'm working on one of the Norwegian lines for the WikiTree Challenge guests, Dallan Quass. Can someone translate this Norwegian marriage record for me?

https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/b/b8/Johansen-2135.jpg (3rd entry)

It's for this profile: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johansen-2135

Many thanks!

Answer 1

The handwriting's a bit difficult but the following fragments may help, mostly names (best guess only) "...Ole Sigridson... Erik Olsen Bottditsrud and Arne (or perhaps it is Anne) Erikson Brodbol (9 November written just above it)... Arnand Christopher Solloc and ...Erik...26 Dec ... (next bit's too blurry for me) ... Ole Johanson Haakerud and Johannes Johanson (Jeansrud?) Dec 26 ... ??? Hans Pedersen... Ane Gudniunsdor Skind(th)ringr 18th January ...(next bit's unclear) ...Poul G(or is it an A?)ienderson ....Nordfield and Christopher Oudensen (could be Andersen) Ostfield"

Og means and. Ole is a common scandi name sometimes as variant of Olaf, derived from the Old Norse name Óláfr. Johansen and Andersen are common Norwegian surnames so most likely. 'sen" meaning son of. Daughters usually got the “–dotter” or “–datter suffix, possibly shortened at the end of a name to ...dr

You might find a list of Norwegian geneological terms useful http://www.nagcnl.org/norwegian-genealogical-terms/

Answer 2

I presume you are interested in the third of the four records in this snip, as that one concerns a Willem Johansen.

This page actually shows engagement records, not marriage records (though the date of the marriage is indicated in the right-hand column).

The third record states that on 30 November 1794 bachelor (jungk.) and country soldier Wellem Johansen (i.e., son of Johan), living at Joansrud farm, was engaged to maiden (pige) Kari Johansdr. (i.e., daughter of Johan) living at Sandbake [?] farm. The two sureties for the engagement were Ole Johansen, living at Haakerud farm, and Johannes Johansen living at Joansrud farm [the latter is a good candidate for being Willem's father or perhaps brother]. The marriage then took place on 26 December

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Yes, that's what I needed. Thanks!

Answer 3

Betrothed Nov 30: Ungkarl (bachelor) og LandSoldat (land soldier) Wellem Johans. Joansrud, Pige (maid) Kari Johansd. Sandbakke. Caut: (best men) Ole Johnsen Haakerud og Johannes Johansen Joansrud. Wedded 18th Jan (1795)

A link to the actual scanned page at Digitalarkivet would be great. Where in Norway is this?

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Here's the family in 1801, household No. 7:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058240002263

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Vinger, Hedmark: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603170217

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No, it's not that page. I've already looked that one up as it's the obvious first place to look, but this couple isn't there. It's probably in one of the adjacent parishes, but I'm not particularly familiar with that part of Norway.

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My bad - sorry about that. It's from Eidskog, Hedmark, also in Vinger prestekontor: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603190601 (same handwriting, so probably same minister)

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Yes, thank you very much! There it is, top right page.

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thank you for the links to the actual documents.

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I'm a little hesitant because the father they have on Family Search if Johan of Aaserud. Wilhelm is later known of Skullerud. I don't know where the Joansrud comes in. I'm wondering if we have the wrong marriage record or wrong parents on Family Search. Link to that profile:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/M8P7-2C5

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I'd have to dig a lot to be absolutely certain of his parents, but Wilhelm is not a very common name in Norway. His age in 1801 (38 yo) indicates a birth about 1763. I'll guess that there aren't many Wilhelm Johansens born in the area about that time, but I may of course be wrong. The "farm names" or rather cotter's place names don't mean much; people moved about.

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Thank you, Leif

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He is found at Jansrud (p. 390) and at Skullerudmoen (p. 459) in

Lillevold, Eyvind: "Vinger bygdebok : gards- og slektshistorie. 3 : Austmarka med Varaldskog", 1977

https://www.nb.no/items/51042438c804c833d164dfcd9176440e?page=393

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thank you, Aksel

Answer 4

You did very well with the Names, I even, had a hard time reading it. Suggestions that might help 1) find which parish he or she is in, most of the time it gives the parents names, for both families. Birth/baptism, in the given year (like1764).

2) It sound strange but next step is to go for the conformation some parishes will give you the birth date and baptismal date plus the father's and the farm/area. I like to use the age 15, 16 for boys (1779-1780), for girls I like to use the age 14, 15.(1778-1780).

I hope this helps

Sem