How should I categorize this location?

+11 votes

I'm not sure how to categorize this location:

Empfingen, Hohenzollern, Prussia

I'm assuming it should go in the Former German Territories category, but I didn't want to add something that would need to be undone.

Are there any Category experts out there who can help?



WikiTree profile: Hans Hauser
in Genealogy Help by Julie Ricketts G2G6 Pilot (402k points)

Could you explain more about what you are attempting to do?
Michael -- I was just trying to categorize the location for this profile. I know nothing about German geography. I'll just leave it up to someone who knows more than I do. ;)

2 Answers

+5 votes

I am not familar with German history to confirm this location but I am assuming you have first listed it correctly.  I believe this is the modern day location?

Empfingen is a municipality in the district Freudenstadt in Baden-Württemberg in southern Germany.

So technically it is not a former German territory but a former Prussian territory in modern Germany.

I think maybe we need to look at these.

Category: Preußen (Preussen/Prussia)

Category: Westpreußen, Preußen

by Michael Stills G2G6 Pilot (410k points)
No plans for extending wikitree so that you can have more events than born and dead and also have more location names for an Event? Using categories for other location names is "poor" solution as a category is connected to the whole profile
Hi Magnus. None that I am aware of.  

I am not clear about what you are suggesting?

Categories are used to group varrious profiles under a particular heading.  The location fields for Birth, Marriage, Death are not Categories and do not link other profiles under that location.

You can always add hierarchal section headers in the biography and add locations. For example

=== Occupation ===

1880 Farmer, Greeneville, TN
If a person is born in year x and location yI understand that you add a category like Westpreußen, Preußen This person then moves in year x2 to location y2 which means maybe another category c2 Then our person moves on in year x3 location y3, in year x4 location y4 and you maybe add a category c4 ...... ...... And dies in year x100 at location y100..... What I try to say is using categories for a location is not optimal as you miss what event the category applies to and that wikitree has a weakness that we write so much in freetext instead of having more events in a persons life in a structured way.... A bad impact of this is that we can't export a gedcom file with more events than born and dead....
Ok. I understand now.  The problems with GEDCOM exports has been brought up a few times.  I do not know what Wikitree's plans are for dealing with this at this time.
What I have seen is that we in the near future will be seeing more tools for analysing your familytree and then have a gedcom that don't contain more events than born and dead makes a big loss....Some kind of timeline would be nice to see so that you could easily use the generated gedcom to create emmigration maps.... I have seen a really nice tool where you automatically compare the family tree in a Dna tests resultlist. Right now it just create maps of the different users trees based on born and death locations which is a good start but in the long run you would like to be also to see and compare where and when a person has lived at a specific location. I feel that wikitree lack support for having a timeline in a structured format is the reason you shouldn't use wikitree as your primary place to store your family tree..... But that is my confused minds humble opinion
Hello Magnus,


In theory you could also track the migration of different types DNA but there is still only a relatively small number of DNA testers in WikiTree who have their DNA associated with their ancestry.

Sincerely, Peter
+4 votes
This is hard to answer. I had a look for a little history of this part of Germany:
In 1558, Empfingen belonged to the Grafschaft Haigerloch (County of Haigerloch) ruled by the Hohenzollern. They named it Hohenzollern-Haigerloch in 1576, in 1634 it became Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. Much later, in 1849 it became Prussian. In 1850, Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen and Hohenzollern-Hechingen became the Province of Hohenzollern. The Problem is all these counties, provinces, parts of provinces, ... were all known just by the name Hohenzollern.

To be correct, the category should be: "Empfingen, Grafschaft Haigerloch". But were should we put this category? Who will find this category? Does it make sense to create lots of categories for this small town? Or is it better to create a category for "modern" Empfingen, write a little text about its history and put all profiles in there? Then the category would be "Empfingen, Baden-Württemberg" as subcategory of "Freudenstadt, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland".
by Daniel Schewe G2G1 (2.0k points)

Your suggestion seems like a good solution, especially with addtiton of the history included on the category page.
Daniel --

That is exactly why I didn't feel comfortable creating something! :)

I do like your solution, but I will defer to those who are involved in the Categorization Project.

Thanks for taking the time to do the research!
As a member of the categorization project I'm working on the Germany related categories. Unfortunately I just have very limited time to do this. And most of the time is needed to clean up the Germany section, because some people create categories being totally unaware of geography, history or language. So I really want to say "Thank You" that you have asked this question here.
Not many wikitreers seem to be working on the Germany categories, so it will need quite a while until we have set up everything. Much patience is needed. ;)
You're very welcome, Daniel, and I'm certainly in no hurry for the category. So, I'll just leave it and check again the next time I make a pass through my Watchlist.

Thank you for the work your doing!
I would strongly advocate using the modern name and political identity for any categorization, mostly due to the problem of when to stop with historical categories. Empfingen belonged to the Herrschaft Wehrstein before becoming part of the Herrschaft Haigerloch-Wehrstein in 1552. Such detail if at all relevant should be in the bio section or in a freespace profile for the place.

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