Children of Roelof Helmigs Van Houten (Helmicks-2)

Question

The profile of Roelof Helmigs Van Houten (Helmicks-2) links to Roelof's 2 children by his first wife, Aagtje Vreeland (Vreelant-1). It links to his second wife, Feytje Sickels (Sikkels-6) but doesn't link to any of his children by her. William Nelson, in his History of the City of Paterson and County of Passaic, lists the following children for Roelof and Feytje on pp. 238-239:

1. Robert, died Jan. 27, 1786, aged 74 yrs., 16 days; married Elizabeth Post. Nelson has a transcript of his will on page 239, citing EJ Wills, Liber 29, fol. 500.

2. Cornelis, b. Jan. 16, 1715; married Rachel Post

3. Johannes, b. June 6, 1717; married Catherine Cadmus. (I disagree with Nelson on Johannes' wife, and argued in the article "A Tale of Three Johns" published in New Netherland Connections, I forget which issue, that this Johannes Roelofse Van Houten married Lybetje Van Riper. Nelson says that Johannes Roelofse son of Roelof Cornelisse VH (Van_Houte-22) married Lybetje, while Herbert S. Ackerman in his Van Houten Family has Lybetje married to Johannes Roelofse (Van_Houten-67) son of Pieter Helmigse VH (Helmicks-1),)

4. Jannetje, b. March 19, 1719

5. Geertrui, b. Jan. 20, 1721, m. Hermanus Van Wagenen

6. (prob) Feytje, m. Johannes Cadmus

7. Catalyntje, b. June 26, 1726; m. Frans Post

Of these children, five of them (all but Jannetje and Feytje) in addition to Helmigh and Aagtje (his children by his first wife) are named in the will of Roelof Van Houten, dated June 16, 1762 with a codicil dated July 6, 1769 and proved Dec. 1, 1770, recorded in E.J. Wills, K, 294. Nelson gives a full transcript of the will, but not the codicil.

Comments

Hi, Richard. Welcome to WikiTree.

The best way to handle this will be for you to become a profile manager on the profile for Roelof so you can (1) add your information about his children to his profile and (2) connect profiles for the children to the profile for Roelof. You are still a few days away from being eligible for Pre-1700 certification, and you will not be able to edit the profile for Roelof until you have that certification, but until then you can work on building out your more recent ancestry, adding some of your other van Houten research, and learning more about (and getting aligned with) the technical and policy nuances of WikiTree. Also, you can submit a Trusted List request for Roelof's profile before you have pre-1700 certification.

If you have created profiles for some of the children, you can post links to the profiles here, and we can get them connected for you.

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I have added Van_Houten-758 Johannes Van Houten who can be added as the son of Helmicks-2 Helmigh Roelof Van Houten and Sikkels-6 Feyje Sickels. I also added a section where I explained why I think two previous prominent Van Houten genealogies got his wife wrong.

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Thanks!!  I connected that profile to the parents.

But having looked at the profile you created, I want to share some practical advice on contributing here:

• In this wiki environment, citation conventions from the print world cannot be depended upon. That is, ibid. and op. cit. are meaningful only until the next time another member (or perhaps you!) comes by and tweaks the profile to rearrange some of the info or insert another source citation in between your first citation and your ibid. Because of this, it is important to get acquainted with using wiki citation formats like the <ref name= > instead of ibid. and op cit.
• We cannot assume that the WikiTree audience is familiar with the literature we are citing, nor with writing style and formalisms preferred in our favorite genealogical journal, or even with the English language. We may be writing for folks like our grandchildren who are mildly curious about their ancestors, people whose only previous experience with genealogical literature is a dusty 19th-century family genealogy book they found online, and WikiTreers in Europe who are scouring newly available online records in search of baptism and marriage records for some or our immigrant ancestors. Therefore we should avoid abbreviations (write out the words), we should not depend on readers understanding references like "4-6 Johannes Van Houten (3-1 Roelof, 2-1 Helmigh, 1 Roelof)" (instead, we can insert a hyperlink to the WikiTree profile of the person we are talking about, which actually is often easier to do), and we need to be sure to tell what we think we  know about the life of the person and why we think we know it, rather than solely on debunking the errors of previous researchers (our audience is likely to be unaware of their work, although they may have encountered their conclusions in a family tree they were given).

By my reckoning, you are now less than 2 days away from being able to get pre-1700 certification.

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Sort of hard to link to profiles that haven't been created yet. Also, my reasoning was in the article I wrote a couple decades ago of which I no longer have a copy.

I have added the profile of Van_Houten-754's wife as Van_Riper-195, who should be attached as daughter of Van_Ripen-20.

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You're going to have to point me to well written WikiTree citations of multiple places in the same print media, as WikiTree help doesn't have any examples, and some of the examples in Wikipedia help don't seem to work in WikiTree.

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There is no one way to handle multiple instances of a citation in WikiTree. The main theme is to try to avoid ambiguity in the identification of the source. Here are some profiles (pulled from the list of profiles I interacted with recently) that illustrate some  approaches that I think work reasonably well:

• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Abbott-6785
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Van_Steenberg-6
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hendricxen-1
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Simonds-411
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wells-6308
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Parker-40717

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Sharon Olson just added Van_Houten-936 (Catalyntje Van Houten). She is the daughter of Roelof Helmigse Van Houten (Helmicks-2) and Sophia Sickels (Sikkels-6) and should be linked to them. For some reason I still can't edit New Netherland Profile Protected individuals, so am pointing this out for someone to do the linking.

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Being a project member does not impart extra editing privileges. WikiTree-wide, the only members who can edit family connections on a PPP profile are Project Leaders, Project Coordinators, and profile managers of the PPP profile.