Big Y-700 Tests: Any advice for advanced analysis of results?

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I have recently upgraded some y-DNA test to the Big-700. I have seen several y-DNA projects where the admins are able to construct relationship trees for different test subjects.

  • Is there an online guide or help for advanced comparisons of related y-SNP results?
  • Is there a list somewhere of utilities which can be used to determine and/or display estimated relationships between test subjects? 
in Genealogy Help by Bill Vincent G2G6 Pilot (173k points)
I found the surname project manager at FTDNA very helpful for the project I have been most involved in.  Others may vary in knowledge and involvement; I'm not sure.

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When you get your results, you can get a rough estimate of the time to most recent common ancestor with your matches from the "block tree" view. They show you how many SNP mutations are between you and the common ancestor. A commonly used number is an average of 83 years per mutation, but there is a lot of variance around this and disagreement about how reasonable it is. But going with that, you see an SNP mutation every 2-4 generations on a family line, so if you count your SNPS back to your common ancestor with a match, multiply by about 3 and that will tell you roughly about how many generations back the ancestor is.

If you are looking at STR matches (which can be a different set of matches than your closest SNP matches -- it is for me), then you can use the "Tip" feature next to the match name and it will tell you estimated probabilities for the number of generations back to the common ancestor. AFAIK, this is considered about as rough as the estimates for SNPs, i.e., pretty rough.

I don't know of an online guide, although I'd be interested in seeing one. There are very knowledgable people in the private Facebook group on Big-Y, YSEQ, etc. (very complicated group name). Then there was a separate group that split off over some kerfuffle about which I know little. That other group has knowledgable people too. And a lot of the haplogroup project leaders know a lot --- you can join several, since you will belong to multiple haplogroups at different levels of the phylogenetic tree.
by Barry Smith G2G6 Pilot (293k points)
Thanks. I'll look for the Big-Y group on Facebook.
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Here is a link to a relationship tree chart that I constructed using the publicly available YDNA data from the Vincent project at FTDNA:

Vincent Tree

by Andrew Ross G2G6 Mach 3 (36.4k points)
Thank you, Andrew. I really appreciate that you did this for me. I am interested in learning how to construct tree charts like this for other families as well. Any suggestions? Did you use any special graphics program to construct this tree? (It looks nice and clean.)

Bill;

Russ is correct in that I used the SAPP.  It's a powerful program and fairly easy to run.  But from what I can tell, it's also easy to produce lousy results.  GI=GO.  So, be careful.

Big Y CSV files are not needed.  I don't know why that comment was made.  111 STR results with SNPs are best.  I advise against running the code with fewer STR results.

+6 votes
If you have access to the Big Y CSV files from the FTDNA tests, you can use SAPP (Still Another Phylogeny Program). (https://www.jdvsite.com/). It takes a while to learn how to use it, but he has decent instructions on his website and he has a YouTube channel with videos demonstrating how to use the program. I'm an FTDNA Surname Project Administrator and I use it all the time to analyze groups of Big Y results.

That chart that Andrew Ross made for you was constructed using SAPP.
by Russ Carter G2G4 (4.5k points)

Russ…

Thank you. Merci beaucoup. Danke schön. Muchas gracias. Arigatō. Etc. That is exactly the type of application I was looking for.

I would have also seen stick trees on some sites with dots representing estimated generations between subjects and their MRCA. I'm going to contact those admins to see if they can help with that. (I'm not any kind of an artist.)

Thanks, again… Bill

Does SAPP allow you to change the gap length between mutations? I have been wondering about that, if I have a decent paper trail I can see exactly what the avg generation length has been in my family for the last 400 years or so, at least along the Y-DNA line, would be interesting if it lined up better.
Two of the parameters that you can adjust include years per generation and a Calibrate function that adjusts the Time to MRCA for a node.

Read the instructions and watch the videos. All the information is there.

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