Need help understanding English written by person whose native language was probably German

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Please see the testimony of Von Rudolf Menacher und Hans-Ulrich Reiffen in the sources section of the linked profile.

I have just started to write this profile and am having difficulty understanding the section under "The deportation of the family of Isaac Meyer Sinzig" and hope that someone with more experience can help.

I believe the mentions of Charles and Carl both refer to Karl.  The best I can get out of it is that Karl (whose family was Jewish) went to Catholic school for kindergarten and elementary school and was removed from school by a policeman in 1938.  I don't believe anything in the rest of that paragraph applies to Karl.  This document specifies Karl's death as "between 1941 and 1945", but it seems that, if my understanding is correct, the date should have been stated as  "between 1938 and 1945".

If anyone can clarify the facts stated in this document, I would be most appreciative.  Although my immdediate need is for the information about Karl, I will eventually be writing profiles for all the other people mentioned in the document.

EDITED TO ADD:

I realize that it is unlikely Karl had the wife currently listed and certainly the son listed for him, who was born in the late 1800's is not correct - this is what came in the original gedcom and I have not yet dealt with it!
WikiTree profile: Karl Meyer
in Genealogy Help by Gaile Connolly G2G6 Pilot (780k points)
retagged by Keith Hathaway
That looks like it was translated from German phew let me have a look at it :) Although it looks like the translation was done with an translation engine. Very garbled. I would say that charles and Carl are the same . I think it is sure that he was still alive in 1942 as they were transported from a ghetto to a KZ(concentration camp)"The family Isaac meyer " refers to the entire family of Isaac so that paragraph also applies to Karl.

 

After he was removed from school, the family wanted to leave but missed the opportunity to do so. At the night of the progrome (9 th november 1938) their flat was destroyed and they had to suffer the discrimination that came with being jewish. Abraham and Emma died in 1940 and were the last jews buried at the jewish cemetery. On t26th April 1942 the family of Isaac Meyer was evicted from their home and transported to a ghetto/transit camp in Brohleck. A few days later his family and 1000 other jews were transported to Koblenz and from there to a concentration camp in Krasniczyn. They lost track of them afterwards and they were either send to the extermination camps of Belzec or Sorbidor.

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This is what I make out of it:

The deportation of the family of Isaac Meyer from Sinzig

Isaac and Mathilda Meyer stayed with their son Carl in Remagen, where Carl had gone to a Catholic preschool and later went to elementary school. Witnesses recalled how one day Carl Meyer was removed from the school by a policeman. That was in 1938 when the Jewish children were forbidden by law to attend public schools. Although their apartment was destroyed during Kristallnacht the family remained in Remagen despite the flight of their other Meyer relatives. It must be assumed that Mathilde's parents did not want to leave Germany. However, there are indications that Isaac Meyers family wanted to emigrate. But the right time was apparently missed. So they had to endure all the harassment and stigmatized social life after Kristallnacht. Abraham and Emma Meyer died in 1940 and were the last Jews buried in the Jewish cemetary of Sinzig. On April 26, 1942 the family of Isaac Meyer was picked up from their home and were transported together with other Jews of the region first to Sinzig Brohl to the transit camp Brohleck, and from there a few days later to Koblenz, then with a transpot of 1,000 Jews on April 30, 1942 to Krasniczyn. After that we loose track of those deported to the gas chambers at the extermination camps in Belzec and Sobibor.

I take it, Abraham and Emma are Isaac's parents?

by Helmut Jungschaffer G2G6 Pilot (523k points)
No, I believe Abraham and Emma are Mathilde's parents.  Mathilde's LNAB was Meyer, then she married someone named Baer or Baehr and had one child, then was a widow at the time she married Isaac Meyer.  Karl is their son.  At least, that's what I interpreted out of the part of that document before the deportation section started.

Thank you for all that.  I sort of had the gist of it, but wasn't really sure.  I figured that someone who speaks German would be better able to understand the placement of the words by a native German speaker who was writing in English - I was getting confused by it all and not sure I understood it correctly.

One question still remains - what happened to Karl and when - when he was removed from school by the policeman, was he taken away at that time or was he still living with his parents and grandparents after that?  If he was with his parents then why is his death listed as between 1941 and 1945?  If he was taken away directly from the school then why isn't his death listed as between 1938 and 1945?

Thank you so very much Helmut.
My interpretation of the school incident is that it was just that, removal from the school in a very dramatic, denigrating way. I don't see anything there suggesting that he was taken away at that time. I do not have an explanation for the 1941 - 1945 timeframe, though. Could it be a typo for 1942 - 1945?
THANX a whole bunch, Helmut!  You and Bianca agree, so that is certainly good enough for me to go with!

Now, though, I can't pick a "best answer" since they're both the same - sorry about that!
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That looks like it was translated from German phew let me have a look at it :) Although it looks like the translation was done with an translation engine. Very garbled. I would say that charles and Carl are the same . I think it is sure that he was still alive in 1942 as they were transported from a ghetto to a KZ(concentration camp)"The family Isaac meyer " refers to the entire family of Isaac so that paragraph also applies to Karl.

 

After he was removed from school, the family wanted to leave but missed the opportunity to do so. At the night of the progrome (9 th november 1938) their flat was destroyed and they had to suffer the discrimination that came with being jewish. Abraham and Emma died in 1940 and were the last jews buried at the jewish cemetery. On t26th April 1942 the family of Isaac Meyer was evicted from their home and transported to a ghetto/transit camp in Brohleck. A few days later his family and 1000 other jews were transported to Koblenz and from there to a concentration camp in Krasniczyn. They lost track of them afterwards and they were either send to the extermination camps of Belzec or Sorbidor.

by anonymous G2G1 (1.1k points)
Bianca, you are absolutely wonderful to do all that!  You see what I mean about it being hard to understand!

Are you sure that the phrase "the family Isaac Meyer" definitely includes Karl?  Please see the remaining question about when Karl was taken in my reply to Helmut's answer.

Thank you so very much.
I think he was just being removed from school. Back then it was a standard procedure to remove jewish children from non jewish schools. It is a universal form of addressing a whole family in naming the "patron" of the family.

 

additionally I can figure out that [...]while Mathilde's parents didn't want to leave , Isaak's family wanted to leave but missed the opportunity.[...] Their relatives who lived in Remagen however managed to leave.

 

I agree with Helmut above that he continued to live with his parents until they were deported.
THANX a whole bunch, Bianca!  You and Helmut agree, so that's certainly good enough for me to go with!

Now, though, I can't pick a "best answer" since they're both the same - sorry about that!

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