Brickwall on the parents of Catherine Rolt c.1680 - 1744. [closed]

Question

I know her father was Samuel as per Dictionary of National Biography https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Melmoth,_William_(1666-1743)  and her mother was a member of the notable “medical” Coxe family, many websites have her parents as Sir Thomas Rolt/Mary Coxe but I believe they are confusing her with their daughter Constantia.

Any help would be appreciated.

A huge thank you to Ann, Wendy and Helen for your help in breaking this brickwall 

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Found parliamentonline.org here they talk about half brother of edward rolt which is Charles 2nd

That discussed a little more information on this.

www.ashefamily.org

Hope it helps

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Thanks Wen, investigated Edward Rolt MP son of Sir Thomas Rolt but couldn’t find a half brother although there is some vague evidence that Thomas may have had either a second wife or more likely a mistress and they could have had children, I will now investigate this. Once again thank you for the hint.

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Edward Rolt (see answer below for Samuel Rolt MP

https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1690-1715/member/rolt-edward-1686-1722

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Some notes.No answer but I've left it so you don't need to go over the same ground

Newer, Oxford Dictionary of National Bio repeats the info from the DNB

"His first wife, whose maiden name was Sambroke and whose given name may have been Sarah (a William Melmoth, son of William and Sarah Melmoth, was baptized at St Andrew's, Holborn, on 17 May 1696), died about this time, reputedly leaving him some property. By 1710 he had married Catherine, daughter of Samuel Rolt of Bedford, and granddaughter, on her mother's side, of Thomas Coxe, physician-in-ordinary to Charles II. They had four daughters—Constantia, Sophia, Catherine, and Jane—and two sons: the author William Melmoth the younger (bap. 1710, d. 1799) and Thomas. Before their marriage Melmoth had to assure himself that an estate to be settled on him as part of his wife's jointure 'was so absolutely his property as to render it a sufficient security' (Melmoth, Memoirs, 44) "

Pasted from <https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-18535?rskey=TQmg1A&result=1>

It would be good to be able to find the Melmoth Memoirs reference (original book  seems to be  Melmoth ' Memoirs of a late eminent advocate , and member of the society of Lincoln's inn '. London , 1796 

Profile of Catherine  gives a marriage to William Melmoth  21 Mar 1698 All Hallows’ Church, Bread Street, City of London, England. Source - London Church of England Parish Records, All Hallows’ and St John the Evangelist - Parish Registers 1538 - 1831. Unfortunately there is a gap in the registers on ancestry. No register between 1664 and 1723. (edit found a transcript of marriage, see below)

1698 is 12 years before the date mentioned on ODNB

Samuel Rolt MP  was son of Thomas Rolt and Mary Cox. History of Parliament 

Cambridge Alumni  https://venn.lib.cam.ac.uk/cgi-bin/search-2018.pl?sur=Rolt&suro=w&fir=Samuel&firo=c&cit=&cito=c&c=all&z=all&tex=&sye=&eye=&col=all&maxcount=50

Marriage to Susanna Poulter 1692

 https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/23931258?h=5fe89d&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share-modal&utm_medium=copy-url

If Catherine were this Samuels daughter, she would have to have been born fairly soon after his marriage in order to  be of an age to marry William Melmoth in about 1710 . No daughter of Samuel and Susannah  could have married in 1698.

EDIT Found the 1698 marriage.The entry makes it  pretty certain this isn't the correct Samuel  https://archive.org/details/registersofallha00allh/page/n263/mode/2up

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Thanks Helen, I couldn’t find an image for her marriage, I will add it to William/Catherine’s profile tomorrow, have worked on these two for six hour’s already today so taking a break, also thank you for the other information I have this on file and when I fully profile their verified children it will be added.

I did find a forename for his first wife but there was confusion whether it was Sarah or Ann so didn’t enter it as I still couldn’t find any further details for her.

I am truly grateful for your efforts and workload. Malc.

P.S. I have his William’s parents ready verified will add tomorrow.

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Thanks Helen, I have Edward/Samuel and their families fully verified in my tree but when I compiled it in my “rookie” days some ten years ago I mistakenly took Catherine to be a daughter of Sir Thomas and this has created a break in my tree with literally hundreds of verified profiled names beyond!

Couldn’t be more frustrating if I can’t re attach her to the family.

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I'm intrigued by this particular rabbit hole because of the next generation: are these really the same Melmoths who lived in Shillingstone? There were Melmoths in the parish from at least the mid 1600s.  My husband's family came from Shillingstone and I'm aware of the name from the registers. Members of the two families  often appear together as witnesses to marriages.  There's at least one marriage between a Ford and a Melmoth (1769, Anne Ford, George Melmoth)

Answer 1

This is very likely them, page 193

The Visitations of the County of Oxford Taken in the Years 1566 - Google Books

Regards,

Ann

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Thanks Ann, this Is the family and I have some sixty of them in my personal tree from this generation but unfortunately just can’t link this Catherine to any of them. I am starting to doubt the accuracy of DNB’s assertion of a Samuel being her father.

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Ive found a will for a Lady Anne Rolt in which she mentions her grandson Samuel and also a granddaughter Katherine. It’s a very long will! I’ll look through it later and see if any clues.

Regards,

Ann

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Look at page 365 and following pages

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=G9AGAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA366&dq=samuel+rolt&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwipgPub5ZbwAhX6VBUIHTUDBI44ChDoATAIegQIBRAD#v=onepage&q=samuel%20rolt&f=false

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The memorial to Samuel and his wife Susanna is for the couple I researched (see comments) Age at death means he  was born c 1671: too young to have a daughter old enough to marry in 1698

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Thanks Ann I am grateful for your help, perhaps the will can throw some light on the elusive father Samuel, if this is actually his name. Malc.

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I have found marriages of couples as young as 16 and 17 as long as they had parents’ consent they could marry.

 There might be a marriage license for them which would help.

Ann

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For anyone else looking at this I have discovered that lady Anne Rolt was Anne Barnardiston before her marriage to sir John Rolt. In her will of 1691 she mentions her grandson Samuel Rolt aged 20 and granddaughters Jane, Mary and Catherine Rolt also Constancia D’Eath whose maiden name would have been Rolt

Ann

Donnelly-2171 Nic Alderseys and Clopton family associated with the Barnandistons who are Long Melford in Suffolk