Stuck on my Belgian (?) roots...

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Hello everyone!

I have been stuck on my couple of Belgian ancestors.

I only have 2 or 3 couples I know of, and would like to try and break my Belgian brick walls.

First up is Charlotte / Charlotta Daniels. She was believed to have been born in Namur in 1760 to a Peter Daniels. She married Theodorus Mulder (when?) and died in 1838 in Nijmegen. This is my first brick wall.

Next up is Catharina Paulissen or Marie Catherine Paulissen. I have recently found her birth / baptism to a Petri / Petrus Paulissen and a Lucie Bren(c)kman(s) in 1773, in Veldwezelt along with a few siblings. I also found a potential set of parents for Petri, by the name of Gerardus Paulissen and Barbara Geelen, and if this is correct, then Petrus was born in 1750, also in Veldwezelt.

But my main brick wall: Guillaume / Wilhelmus Frans(s)en, my earliest paternal ancestor. He died in 1803 in Maastricht, with his birthdate being estimated around 1733 or 1734, and his birthplace being  listed as Vroenhoven. Unfortunately, the baptisms are missing for this period. His wife was Anne Elisabeth Paulissen (no info known on her, may or may not be Belgian) and his parents were Marie van den Broek and Guillaume Frans(s)en. They are only known from their son's death record in 1803.

After much searching, I have still been unable to find very much on these people, and am starting to get a little bit frustrated with the gaps in my tree! I know not to give up, but I am so stuck!!!

Any help, or even if people could just investigate, would be much appreciated.

Thank you and good night from New Zealand!

Alex Fransen

P.S. - Other IDs are Paulissen-16 and Fransen-258.
WikiTree profile: Charlotte Daniels
in Genealogy Help by Alex Fransen G2G6 Mach 4 (41.2k points)

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Familysearch states that the death registration of Guillaume Franssen has the remark "wdnr". No image though. This could mean that he was a widower (weduwenaar). If so, Anne Elisabeth Paulissen died before 17 July 1803. Unfortunately one has to visit the archives to view the document. (Have found that she died 16 November 1791, see below)

Found extracts of certificates regarding a.o. Guillaume Franssen as addenda to the marriage papers of his son Mathias. Marriage addendum Mathias Paulissen. It is in French and the important things are:

l'an onze = year 11 of the French Republic which ran from 23 september 1802 to 23 september 1803.

Acte: Du vingt neuvieme jour de mois de messidor, an onze de la Republique, a six heures & demi du matin = the 29th day in the harvest month in year 11 of the Republic at half past six in the morning.

Death: decede hier a cinq heures de matin = died yesterday at 5 in the morning. Yesterday means 28th day of the harvest month which was 18 July 1803. Aged 69 so born in 1734.

Veuf d'Elisabeth Paulissen = widower of Elisabeth Paulissen (so died before 18 July 1803)

Fils de feus Guillaume Franssen & de Marie vandenbroek = son of late? Guillaume & Marie

Declaration … par... Guillaume Franssen, age de quarante deux ans.... So the death was declared by his son Guillaume Franssen aged 42 (born in 1761), living in Maastricht, brewer's boy and Martin Zeegers, 69, friend of the deceased.

It also includes an extract of the burial registration of Elisabeth Paulissen which states in French that she was buried on 16 November 1791 in the Parish of St. Nicolas, Maastricht, the spouse of Guillaume Franssen.

It furthermore includes an extract of the burial registration of (his father) Guillaume Fransen which states again in French that he was buried on 14 November 1763 in the church of St Nicolas, Maastricht.

Another extract of burial states that Marie van der Broek was buried on 21 December 1772 in the Church of St Jacques, Maastricht. It is stated that she was from “Rue de Congres”

Extract of burial of Jean Paulissen on 13 October 1749 in the Church of “Peres Dominicains” in Maastricht. Father of Elisabeth Paulissen.

Extract of burial of Judith Daemen, widow of Jean Pierre Paulussen on 13 March 1765 in the Church. Mother of Elisabeth Paulissen.

Extract of baptismal register of the commune of Veldweselt which states that Catharine, legitimate daughter of Pierre Paulissen and Lucie Brenkmans, was baptised on 12 November 1773.

Also a certificate in French which states that Cecile Bringmans (Lucie Brenkmans) died at home at the age of 54 on the 5th of Messidor in year 6 of the Republic which should be 23 June 1798. So born about 1744. Declaration was done by Pierre Paulissen, daylabourer, aged 57 and Hubert Kerkhof, cultivater, aged 33. Pierre is the husband and Hubert a neighbour.

Conclusion:

Guillaume Fransen I: burial: 14 November 1763 in Maastricht

Guillaume Fransen II: birth 1734; death: 18 July 1803, aged 69

Guillaume Fransen III: birth: 1761 based on age of 42 in 1803

Elisabeth Paulissen: burial: 16 november 1791

Marie van der Broek: burial: 21 December 1772

Catharine Paulissen: baptism: 12 November 1773, daughter of

Pierre Paulissen: birth 1741 based on 57 in 1798 and

Cecile/Lucie Brenkmans: birth: 1744 death: 23 June 1798

Elisabeth Paulissen:

Jean Paulissen: burial 13 October 1749 and

Judith Daemen, widow of Jean Pierre Paulissen: burial: 13 March 1765.

It seems that Jean (Pierre) Paulissen (died 1749) & Judith Daemen (died 1765) are the parents of Elisabeth Paulissen. They are both buried in Maastricht (not veldwezelt) and the documents are signed by Mathias Fransen.

This website about Jan Paulissen has some interesting info. It states that the brewery in Maastricht is mentioned in the beginning of the 13th century as the "St. Nicolaas Panhuis" and that it continued to operate until its closure in 1946 making it the oldest beerbrewery of the Netherlands. It is situated in the oldest neighbourhood of Maastricht on the North side of het "Onze Lieve Vrouweplein". Foundations of the western city wall and the old castellum are underneath the old brewery. .....

The brewery was owned by husband and wife Louis Caris and Isabella Lenaerts. They stopped in 1731 and sold "a house with brewery, stables, garden and a klotsbaan (bowling alley)" to Jan Paulissen who was married to Judth Daemen. Paulissen died in 1745 and his wife Judith continues the brewery until her death in 1765. Her daughter Maria Margaretha inherits the premises. In 1803 it is stated that Guillaume Fransen, aged 42, was a brewer...

I have not been able to find the original source of this info yet. The brewery can be seen on scale model of Maastricht.

It seems that Elisabeth Paulissen had two sisters Maria Margaretha and Maria Cornelia.

Steambrewery Eugene Marres states that Joannes Paulussen bought the brewery at auction on 9 November 1730.

Brewery Het Nieuwe Stenen Huis states that Maria Cornelia Paulissen, daughter of Peter Paulissen and Judith Damen married Servaes Marres and that she inherited Brewery "De Deken" in the St. Pieterstraat which was renamed "Het Nieuwe Stenen Huis". The other daughter Maria Margaretha, married Nicolaas Nypels and inherits brewery "St. Nicolaas Panhuis" in the "Plankstraat".

Servatius Marres & his wife Maria Magdalena Fransen were witnesses at the baptism on 11-11-1775 of Servatius Martin Fransen, son of Wilhem Fransen & Anne Elisabeth Paulissen

What did daughter Elisabeth inherit ? We do know that her husband Guillaume was a brewer in 1803..

by Remko Stift G2G6 Mach 2 (24.7k points)
edited by Remko Stift
Can you give the link to the image Remko?
Link is at the bottom of the answer
Mr. Stift,

Thank you so much, this means a lot to me and my family!

I really appreciate it, if there is anything you need help with, please do not hesitate to let me know!!!

Thanks so much!

Kind regards,

Alex Fransen
No worries. It was fun. Although my French is not too bad, you might want to go through it all and also check those French Republican dates. I just did a quick and dirty translation etc. Good night from the Netherlands.
I did find a baptism in Veldwezelt for a Petrus Paulissen born in 1750, could this be the same Pierre Paulissen?
The person who died on 13 March 1765 is Judith Daemen, widow of Jean Pierre Paulissen who died on 13 October 1749. I think these are the grandparents Mathias Fransen via his mother because they were buried in Maastricht and not Veldwezelt. Also Fransen signed the documents.

At the death of Lucie Brenkmans in 1798 it is stated that Pierre is 57 and therefor born in 1741..... (check the french numbers please) Have you got a link to the baptismal record? What does it say? Does it not state any parents ? If it is Jean Pierre & Judith than we've nailed it !
Thank you so much Mr. Stift!

I will get to work today on the translation / transcription of this document, I am new to French though, and it will be a nice challenge!
Hello again!

Just working on the translation, and on image No. 18 of 3221 on the huwelijksbijlagen, at the top, is listed where the extract of the baptism of Catherine Paulissen came from, but translating doesn't quite add up.

Here is my transcription of that section so far (may not be 100% as this is my first French transcription):

Extrait du registre baptismal de la commune de Veldwezelt dans lequel se trouve ecrit en Latin ce que huit in Francois.

And here is my translation (I know Google Translate is not the best, but it serves its purpose OK):

Extract from the baptismal register of the municipality of Veldwezelt in which is written in Latin what eight in French.

Not quite sure what the last part means?
I think "huit" should be "suit", so that the last words mean "that which follows in French".
Agree with Andrew. It is "suit", same as top of page 9.

It seems that Jean (Pierre) Paulissen (died 1749) & Judith Daemen (died 1765) are the parents of Elisabeth Paulissen. They are both buried in Maastricht (not veldwezelt) and the documents are signed by Mathias Fransen.

This website about Jan Paulissen has some interesting info. It states that the brewery in Maastricht is mentioned in the beginning of the 13th century as the "St. Nicolaas Panhuis" and that it continued to operate until its closure in 1946 making it the oldest beerbrewery of the Netherlands. It is situated in the oldest neighbourhood of Maastricht on the North side of het "Onze Lieve Vrouweplein". Foundations of the western city wall and the old castellum are underneath the old brewery. .....

The brewery was owned by husband and wife Louis Caris and Isabella Lenaerts. They stopped in 1731 and sold "a house with brewery, stables, garden and a klotsbaan (bowling alley)" to Jan Paulissen who was married to Judth Daemen. Paulissen died in 1745 and his wife Judith continues the brewery until her death in 1765. Her daughter Maria Margaretha inherits the premises. In 1803 it is stated that Guillaume Fransen, aged 42, was a brewer...

I have not been able to find the original source of this info yet. The brewery can be seen on scale model of Maastricht.

It seems that Elisabeth Paulissen had two sisters Maria Margaretha and Maria Cornelia.

Steambrewery Eugene Marres states that Joannes Paulussen bought the brewery at auction on 9 November 1730.

Brewery Het Nieuwe Stenen Huis states that Maria Cornelia Paulissen, daughter of Peter Paulissen and Judith Damen married Servaes Marres and that she inherited Brewery "De Deken" in the St. Pieterstraat which was renamed "Het Nieuwe Stenen Huis". The other daughter Maria Margaretha, married Nicolaas Nypels and inherits brewery "St. Nicolaas Panhuis" in the "Plankstraat".

Servatius Marres & his wife Maria Magdalena Fransen were witnesses at the baptism on 11-11-1775 of Servatius Martin Fransen, son of Wilhem Fransen & Anne Elisabeth Paulissen

What did daughter Elisabeth inherit ? We do know that her husband Guillaume was a brewer in 1803...

Thanks for the translation help!

And WOW!

That information is incredible, I am so surprised that can still be found out today!

Looks like my surname is starting to reveal its secrets...

The other secret, though, is that my family's legend says we are originally French, which makes sense, as Fransen literally means France or French, but it also can mean 'son of Frans'... I wonder which one it is...
I am actually going to visit my 87 year old, very sick Opa tomorrow, and he is very much into genealogy, though he cannot do it himself.

Thank you all so much for being willing to help, ma and my family really appreciate it!!!

Thank you so much!

Regards,

Alex Fransen

Nice to hear you are going to tell Opa. Now your Veldwezelt brick wall...

Found a website where it seems someone has transscribed all records and put them in alphabetical order. You will have to find the original sources though.

Petrus Paulissen (1741-1798) is the son of Lambertus Paulissen and Maria Geelen.

Lambertus Paulissen (1695-1776) is the son of Joannes Paulissen and Joanna Jans.

Joannes Paulissen (1650-?) is the son of Lambertus Paulissen and Isabella Schols.

Maria Geelen is the daughter of Joannes Geelen (died bef 1723) and Helena Alofs/Aleve.

Lucia Brinckmans (1744-1798) is the daughter of Christianus Brinkcmans and Maria Swinnen.

Christianus Brinckmans is the son of Joannes Brinckmans (buried 1748).

A few remarks: they most probably spoke Dutch or rather the local Limburg dialect. This means that their names were not at all in French. The last name Brengmans or Bringmans needs to Brinckmans. Probably lost in translation from Dutch to French.

Regarding Wilhelm Fransen. I think it most likely that it is a patronymic i.e. named after an ancestor's first name Frans. Judging by the fact that they favoured the Dutch language, it seems unlikely they had anything to do with the French occupiers.

Regarding the brick wall of Charlotte Daniels I am afraid I can not help you there.

This is amazing stuff, thanks so much!
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Vroenhoven today is a part of Maastricht on the Belgian border, but in the old days it was the name of a lordship which had a chequerboard of holdings which are now in both Belgium and the Netherlands. Which records have you searched for so far? You probably need to look in both countries.

Keep in mind that in 1803 none of these places were in Belgium, because Belgium did not exist. It was all part of France. From 1815, all these places were in the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

Before the French revolution things get more complicated, but to a large extent the modern archives have been organized so that the modern residents of places have easy access to the old registers. There is a free website for Belgian registers, although it does not yet have scans of all of them online. Many registers are also available on Familysearch, although they can be difficult to track down.
by Andrew Lancaster G2G6 Pilot (141k points)
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On the site AEZEL I find the following baptisms in Maastricht:

https://aezel.eu/onderzoeken/feit/2950176 - Johan Hieronijmius (1763)

https://aezel.eu/onderzoeken/feit/2949699 - Matthias

https://aezel.eu/onderzoeken/feit/2949176 - Servatius

https://aezel.eu/onderzoeken/feit/2949378 - Matthias Laurent

https://aezel.eu/onderzoeken/feit/2948661 - Servatius Martin (1775)

And then Anna Elisabeth Paulissen is a witness at the baptism of Johan Wilhelm Fransen, her grandson from Mattheus Fransen and Maria Cacilia Lousbergs: 1790 https://aezel.eu/onderzoeken/feit/2980445

But no marriage or burial of Anna Elisabeth
by B. W. J. Molier G2G6 Mach 9 (90.0k points)
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Is this his baptism? https://aezel.eu/onderzoeken/feit/2443794

Dopeling Wilhelm Fransen

Father Wilhelm Fransen

Mother Maria van de Broeck

Witness Laurentius Fransen

Witness Maria Fransen

Witness Wilhelm Hameleers

by B. W. J. Molier G2G6 Mach 9 (90.0k points)

I did not know this website. Great! Baptism 08-04-1734

It looks like the name William comes from the witness on the mother's side of the family.

Or just named after his father smiley

Thanks Mr. Molier, I have a strong suspicion that this is his baptism!

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