Dutch, French and Military and War Project Members I am calling for back up

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Hello,

Recently the Dutch Roots Project held the Dutch Liberation Day Challenge. We focused on members of the Dutch Paris Resistance Network. After 2 failed attempts to connect to the tree I finally Henri Jean Scharrer, codename Sandberg, a french resistance fighter born in Belgium. The book, The Dutch Resistance Revealed was written about him. I have managed to gain contact with the author, Jos Scharrer, daughter in law of Henri. I would love to make a nice family tree for her and so I want your help to create profiles. To get them well protected and in top shape. I am no long time member but I do try my best, my profiles that I spend time on I hope are good. So everyone do your part and contribute.

The specifics:

The profile for Henri Jean Scharrer is the only profile completed so far.

The book, The Journalist also by Jos Scharrer is about her great aunt. I hope to connect this too.

For Sources To Be Added: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Scharrer_and_Shaw_Family_Tree_Info_-_Family_Study

As a guide: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/pt/RSVP.aspx?dat=MTc2MjQ2MTA4OzswN2ZlMDY2MS0wMDA2LTAwMDAtMDAwMC0wMDAwMDAwMDAwMDA7MjAyMTA1MTExMjIwMDM7MzI3Njk=&mac=szrxsaCEVxTAX21oiiaPUg= Direct Information from Jos Scharrer.

WikiTree profile: Henri Scharrer
in Genealogy Help by Anonymous Anonymous G2G6 Mach 6 (62.7k points)
edited by Anonymous Anonymous

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His parents were born in France. Francis I am not good at finding sources in France. sad

by Astrid Spaargaren G2G6 Pilot (243k points)

Bayern is the German name. Jean Georges Scharrer was born in Heimendorf, Bayern. No Heimendorf in Bayern. But there is a Haimendorf in Bayern (phonetically identical)

Thank  you Jan. Yes I found a Haimendorf or a Heikendorf. I also think the Haimendorf is (as it is phonetically the same) right.

Now I think the profession of Henry's father Jean George Scharrer is mentioned in the Geburtsurkunde, you found Jan. My French does not go much futher than counting in French. laugh So some assistance is appreciated at the following:

I think it reads "manveure" which means according to Google Translate: skipper.

Can anyone confirm that I read that right (or wrong) please?

In the French translation of Jean Georges death certificate it say "Boucher", so "butcher".

But yes, in the birth certificate of son Henry, I also read "manveure"
Hmmm. He might have changed his occupation after the marriage and starting a family.

Being a skipper declares how he got so far from Haimendorf.

Thanks Jan!

btw funny, 1878 Henry was registered as Heinrich Scharrer in Amsterdam as of April 1(!) 1897, cook in the hotel Suisse in the Kalverstraat.

And here is the German original of his death record, from Metz municipal archive. It says "Heimendorf, Bayern" for his place of origin, and "Metzger" (butcher) for his trade.

It is interesting how the redactor of this record mixes latin script and german Kurrentschrift, even inside the same word (Belle Islestraße).

Astrid: a "un manœuvre" is just a worker, with no particular qualification. The same word in the feminine, "une manœuvre", has a completely different meaning (maneuver), which probably fooled Google translate. So the change of word does not necessarily mean that he changed trade, rather that he acquired some qualification.

Extraordinary Jan! Hmm. hahaha

The marriage record of Jean Georges says he was "garde-frein", which translates in US English as "brakeman", a railroad worker that operates brakes ("guard" in British English). So he indeed changed trade! I also checked the birth records of his other children Léon, Catherine and Ferdinand.

1873 garde-frein = brakeman
1875 boucher = butcher
1876 charcutier = pork butcher / delicatessen maker
1878 manœuvre = worker
1882 boucher = butcher
1885 Metzger = butcher

@ Julien. Thank you so  much Julien for taking the time to check my readings in French and explaining the word. As you are right as I typed in "Manoeuvre"it was translate as maneuver and did not make any sense to me.

So the translation "skipper" and my reading was wrong. Right? smiley

And wow, you did thorough research by checking the marriages of the other children. Thank you!

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Okay,

So Henri's son Richard is married to Jocelyn Shaw.

Father: Jocelyn Shaw

Father: Robert John Shaw

Father: George Shaw

Father: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Shaw-12616

That is how we get this tree connected. Come on people.
by Anonymous Anonymous G2G6 Mach 6 (62.7k points)
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Population register card in Den Haag has names and dates of birth of the two sons of the Scharrer/Compter family.

by Jan Terink G2G6 Pilot (257k points)

"South Africa, Cape Province, Western Cape Archives Records, 1792-1992," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q23Q-K2HN : 9 March 2021), Richard Scharrer and Jocelyn Elaine Shaw, 30 Mar 1963; citing Marriage, East London, East London, Cape, South Africa, Western Cape Archives, Cape Town; FHL microfilm .

Yes,

I found the marriage certificate on Ancestry and made sure it was correct. I am working on an Ancestry Tree to see the family members.
Richard married for the second time right?
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I found this site try looking here,

Www.oorlogselvens.nl

Arolsen.org website has documents there

Try this site

Www.oorlogsgravenstchiting

Talks about amersfoort camp

Hope this helps
by Wen Rosmann G2G3 (3.9k points)

Thank you Wen for your help.

And welcome to WT!!

Last week we had a liberation day challenge with the Dutch Roots Project of WT. In that week we made profiles for Dutch/French/Belgium resistance fighters of Dutch-Paris, an escape route. To commemorate those that lost their lives for our freedom. In this special case we do that also for his daughter in law Jos Scharrer who wrote a book over the work of the resistance during WW-II.

The profile above is pretty complete but we are searching for his family and adding them so he hopefully can be connected to the big tree. 

If you click on the bolt underlined name at the bottom of the first message saying "WT profile: Henri Scharrer" it will bring you to the profile of the person.

And you are right he was in a camp. First in Kamp Schoorl and later in Kamp Vught where he was killed.

Again thank you Wen.

Happy Treeing,

A.

Love to help, and thank for encouragement.

Wendy

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