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On NaN undefined NaN Darlisa Black wrote on Fuller-117:

I realize that a great deal of research has been done on this man and family... and yet we still have no verifiable birthdate at this point. I ran across some records in Family Search for a Mathewe Fuller son of Edward Fuller, Born 22 FEB 1594 in Holt, Norfolk, England. Here is the profile link: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MSGK-8KX (FS ID MSGK-8KX). Source attached to profile, also connected to an Edward Fuller with no other information listed. Is it possible that this Mathewe son of Edward could possibly be the Matthew son of Edward Fuller of Mayflower fame? As to the resulting 14 years between Samuel and this Matthew, that is the same gap between my next brother up and myself, and between my nephew and niece (no kids between) so I know this is conceivable. I find myself wondering how far Holt, Norfolk, England is from Redenhall parish, Norfolk, England, where the Edward Fuller of Mayflower fame and his son Samuel were born. Guess I best look that up too. Just thrashing through the info heap once again!

WikiTree profile: Matthew Fuller
in Genealogy Help by Darlisa Black G2G2 (2.5k points)
Here is the direct record link as well:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N58Q-N3R

and just to throw more confusion into the ranks, I find this... could this potentially be another wife of Matthew son of Edward?  

Mathewe Fuller

England Marriages, 1538–1973 
Name:  Mathewe Fuller 
Event Type:  Marriage 
Event Date:  30 Jun 1629 
Event Place:  Norwich, Norfolk, England 
Event Place (Original):  Saint Gregory, Norwich, Norfolk, England 
Sex:  Male 
Spouse's Name:  Dorthy Harcock
Spouse's Sex:  Female 
The two locations are abt 50-60 miles apart, depending on the route by modern roads.

Have you looked at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fuller-7294. It's for the Redenhall Matthew Fuller but also mentions the Matthew Fuller  baptism in Holt (towards end)

Thanks, Helen, for bringing the profile of Fuller-7294 into the discussion.  Darlisa, thank you for pursuing all leads in the quest for the origins of Fuller-117.

A good deal of the research on those two profiles (esp. Fuller-7294) is mine.  I am convinced that the Norwich Matthew is _not_ the man who came to Plymouth (who is among my 8th great grandparents).  The "Mathewe" who was married at Norwich in 1629 is far more likely to be one who remained in England, probably the same man who died at Strumpshaw -- within ten miles of Norwich -- in November of 1678.  And he may also be the Matthew Fuller who was christened at Holt in 1594; Holt is a little further from Norwich (roughly 20 miles, as the crow flies, per Google Maps) than is Redenhall (about 15 miles), but those distances are certainly within the same general "range of usual mobility" for the time.  I do acknowledge that the coincidence of two Matthews with fathers named Edward is most intriguing, but we would have to find some remarkable, additional record in order to prove that the father of Capt. Matthew Fuller had migrated all the way from his native Redenhall to Holt; by road, as George has indicated above, that would be an unusually long "remove" for those days... nearly twice the distance the proverbial crow would fly.

As indicated in the Research Notes section of Fuller-7294, it is a somewhat wistful coincidence that the Matthew whose death was recorded at Strumpshaw died within three months of Capt. Matthew Fuller's passing on the other side of the Atlantic.
So much information, so little time!  Thank you Christopher for all you have done here!  I am totally impressed.  Thank you George for clarifying the distance and Helen for that link.

So, I agree that at this point all is coincidence without something to tie the individual records together conclusively.  How on earth does one keep all the possible Matthews and Johns and etc from a similar location and time straight?!  Perhaps a spreadsheet so you could sort various columns to look for patterns.  I need a bigger brain!  

ps.  there is also a Matthew in the era that married a Lucy.  and one who married Elizabeth.  Just to keep it all interesting.

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There are 48 miles between Holt and Redenhall, Norfolk England. The idea is valid in my opinion. My oldest sibling is 13 years older than me and Edward Fuller was our 13x great-grandfather- so maybe it runs in the family.
by Daniel Alexander G2G1 (1.1k points)
Now if we could just tie some of the pieces together with more than speculation, right?  My brain is spinning!

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