Do the male descendants of Richard Hubbell (b. 1625) share the Y chromosome marker R-L165?

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WikiTree profile: Richard Hubbell
in Genealogy Help by Kathy Hubbell G2G Rookie (190 points)
retagged by Ellen Smith

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Well, unfortunately the profile states that "No known carriers of Richard's Y-chromosome or his mother's mitochondrial DNA have taken yDNA or mtDNA tests." 

Until someone in his yDNA line tests and then posts that information on their profile, there's no way to tell the answer to that question. 

by Jonathan Crawford G2G6 Pilot (113k points)
+2 votes you happen to have access to Y results that are charted and sourced back to him or to a more recent Richard? Please post anything reliable, if possible. Of course, we'd want to accumulate a set of at least three matching results to rule out some non-parental event in the line.  

Wikitree still has no Y results for the Richard Hubbell  line, though some autosomal results (like mine with a tiny trace for one of the Richards of  the American branch from colonial times.) So far not seeing anything on the Big Tree which is a global Y project (

I bet the Hubbell Society would know the Y-DNA marker, given that they are in touch with living Hubbells/Hubbles that descend from the Richard line of American progenitor Sgt. Richard Hubbell:

Sgt. Richard was supposed to descend from the Richard you mentioned.

The Hubbell Society is doing some DNA work and lists ways to contact them at their webpage.

also there is the FTDNA Hubbell family study. Their data is not posted openly in public, but there are contact emails which one could try:

Hope you can somehow figure it out and share data on the Richard Hubbell line!
by R Adams G2G6 Mach 2 (20.7k points)

Hubbell Y-DNA Report from 2020

R-L165 is mentioned 

  1. Figure 12 on Page 20, Text on Page 20 and 21
  2. Figure 13 on Page 25
That is an amazing report and tells a lot about the evolution of the American Hubbell line descending from Sgt. Richard Hubbell (b. 1626). Not sure if this is the same Richard b.1625 referred to in the question above or the other earlier Richard which is linked at the top of the question.

So if we are talking Sergeant Richard Hubbell, American Progenitor, the answer is yes the marker for the R-L165 mutation would have to be seen on his descendants if they had done a full and thorough Y-DNA test. Possibly it would not visible with a short version of the Y test which might just generate a much earlier, infinitely larger general group designation (like the huge ancient M269 group that many Europeans belong to).

What is so amazing about this report is it drills down to the more recently identified mutations that are carried by some living persons. And those subgroups have names and identifiable characteristics on the test. So much so that a person named Johnston is provably part of the American Hubbell male lineage. (Adoptee or NPE probably).

Page 20 of the report shows a good chart of how the L-165 mutation gave rise to the more recent mutations. Earlier pages are good in showing the evolution across Europe over thousands of years.

The timeline on page 15 gives and idea of how very old the L=165 mutation is.

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