Is it possible to find a Finnish person in the records without knowing the birth parish? [closed]

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I am trying to find anything about the following Finnish people

Yrjö Ilmari Karhunen b. 21 August 1928, birth place unknown but he lived in Sipoo with his parents Taavetti Karhunen and Hilda Itkonen

FS want to match him to this person but the wife is not a match so I doubt it is him, it does however make me think there is sources for Finland for this time: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CB58-753Z

He married Siro Raili Annikki Vickholm b. 13 January 1927 who lived in Kerava with her parents Sulo Mauriz Vickholm and Elin Karolina Blomqvist.

The parents must be born around 1890, and although I do not have their birth places, knowing where they lived should narrow it down right?

The person I am trying to help (the daughter of Yrjö and Siro) managed to get her birth record from Tuusula parish, but it was difficult and took her many phone calls to find her way. This was probably long ago, so I am hoping the Internet has found a way to help.

I haven't put their profiles up yet because I do not have any sources for them. The family came to Sweden in 1968 and the parents are since gone, they passed away in Sweden. Their two children was born in Helsinki in 54 and 56 and the parents are married in 1950.

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I have found some more information, Elin was born 15 July 1886 in Tuusula she passed away on 22 June 1963 Helsinki and is buried in Tuusula, in what they called Paijala.

These are her parents and siblings:

• Karl Fredrik Blomqvist  
• Carolina Johansdotter Oljemark 
• Carl Wilhelm Nurmi or Blomqvist 1888–1978
• Alma Teresia Blomqvist 1890–1891
• Hulda Maria Blomqvist 1890–1964
• Ester Emilia Blomqvist 1894–1964
• Hilma Josefina Blomqvist 1895–1900
• Johan Hjalmar Blomqvist 1897–1918
• Johan Nestor Blomqvist 1901–1918
• Lempi Aleksandra Blomqvist 1904–1905

She had the following children with (W)Vickholm besides Siro:

Ensio Sulo Toivo Virpasuo Vickholm 1917–1986

Sirkka Vickholm m. Kurtti 1919–1983

Veikko Wickholm 1920–1989

Aarre Jalmari Vickholm 1923–2015

Voitto Vickholm 1923–1981

I hope this might help cracking the brick walls.

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I found some more details on the other side, Taavetti was born 1886 and died 1957 and Hilda was born 1889 ad died 1961, there was two siblings of Yrjö, Paul Kaarlo Olavi 1915-1978 and Irja Alina 1913-1994. All of them buried in Honkanummi, Vantaa in the outskirts of Helsinki. 

Answer 1

I have found it is very difficult to figure out the naming system and the locations of people in the few Finnish records I have looked at.  Luckily, my wife has a relative that did a lot of research on their family tree (My wife is 3/4 Finnish 1/4 Italian, 100% hard headed, lol).  The problem arises when one family calls an area one name and another family calls it something else.  Then that name is handed down through the family and it is written down in their family histories as such. Good luck.

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Thanks, I’m gonna need it!

Answer 2

As you might know there is a large searchable database http://hiski.genealogia.fi/ but this stops at about 1880 in the best cases - but you are in luck as Tuusula is covered up to 1902/1908. Erin's birth record is at http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?fi+t8232302 and you can then proceed backwards with looking up the marriage between her parents, and then trying to find the related birth records for the parents.

At some point you do need to verify stuff in the confirmation records which are not in HisKi, but are available at http://digi.narc.fi/digi/?lang=en_US

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Thank you Norm, I got Riitta involved from the Geni tree, and she has been adding on that side, thanks to the help I have gotten from Susan Hautala in tracking down where Hilda and Taavetti belonged. Without Susan's help I would probably never have been solved! I have added the sources, and hope to be able to add the parents tomorrow. Although I would appreciate any help I can get with that so that the names end up being right, I am completely green when it comes to Finnish research!

And thanks Norm for all the help on the other side, without you I would not have figured that side out either!

The granddaughter is also over the moon, she lost contact with a lot of the history on the Finnish side after they moved to Sweden so it is a precious gift :)

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Antonia.  I have a complete Household Record for Agneta Andersdotter, mother of Johan Victor Agnetasson, and it is on her profile.  I have used three sources for the church records: the Finnish Archives are free and often hard to read; the free record through HISKI is readable; the records from SSHY are behind a paywall but easy to read.

The next question is where/when did Johan Victor get the name Vikholm?

This has been fun,  Norm

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Ohh thanks!!

You don’t think it was a farm name that got frozen?

Then again if it is anything like in Sweden a lot of out of wedlock children picked their family name to hide the fact that they didn’t have a father around.

According to the family it was either Vickholm and Wickholm it seems like it was Vickholm to start and then the government wanted to make everything more Finnish including people’s names so they changed or got changed to Wickholm..?

But yes the question remains, why Wickholm? Does anything hint at where the dad was from?

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Vickhom to Wickholm doesn't really sound like change from a Swedish name to a Finnish one, those types of changes were typically much more drastic (as an example, my great-grandfather changed from Skriivari/Kriivari, ie. a scribe in Swedish, to Kivimaa, whereas his brother chose Rinne).

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I thought so too! I was not aware that a W was more Finnish but maybe? I know there was cousins who changed their surnames to very Finnish names, but the family on this side said it was to distance themselves from one of the brothers who sided with the communists. 

About Agneta, should the surname be Gustavsson or Andersdotter? I am not sure I am reading the comment on the profile right.. 

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At that time I'm 99.999% sure that the "surname" for WikiTree purposes is Andersdotter :) It should be Gustavsson only if it was a real surname, but I doub that.

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Okay, I thought I would message Ben about changing it via FS where we first got in contact, as he might not be too familiar with WT.. There is an "extra" name on the FS profile for Johan, Virvolampi .. is that a farm name, or does it mean something in Finnish?

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Virvolampi sounds like a place name, not a farm name as such ("Lake Virvo"), but you would need to know more about the geography of the location.

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The only time Gustafsson is used is in her death record.

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I have followed Johan Victor to 1919

See  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Vickholm-2