G2G: how to link profiles to this passenger list resource....???

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i see that we have an interesting Space, hosted by the Palatine Migration Project it seems, which helps with passenger lists coming into Philadelphia.  

As well as lots of great info, there is a long list of profiles which already link to the passenger lists.

I think several of my Petitcodiac  German-speaking ancestors have already been spotted on the passenger lists, for example Johann Heinrich Stieff (1718-1779) by Les Bowser, but i can't tell if the functional link has been made to that great passenger list resource mentioned above.  The list has more than 500 names in what appears to be a random order...

What would i need to do to get the Petitcodiac immigrants linked up (the ones who have already been sighted arriving in Philadelphia)?

cheers

Shirlea

editted to link the list as well

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smiley  Isn't that book a great resource?!?

That Space page is one of many that are intended to help people cite an oft-used source, and also to help in locating copies of a source that other members have cited.

We cite the book as a source in profiles of people whose names have been found on the list. I think you have seen that in numerous profiles. In addition, there are categories for some of the numerous ship sailings that are cataloged in that book. See Category:Palatine_Ships for the collection of individual ship categories that have been created for the pre-1776 arrivals. These categories include profiles for people who have been identified as arriving on a particular ship sailing (including some who are identified because their husband or father was on the arrivals list). A couple of these categories also include free-space pages about a particular sailing; those pages (here's an example) may or may not list the passengers.

There are many more profiles that could be placed in one of these categories, and there are many sailings that do not yet have a category. I have created many of the existing categories when I discover a profile for a documented passenger on a sailing that does not yet have a category. If you decide to create more of these categories (if you are comfortable with making categories), note that the preferred naming format is consistent with Albany, Arrived 4 September 1728. Newly created categories should be placed in Category: Palatine Ships  and also in a sailings-by-decade category, such as Category: 1720s Sailings.

I don't know whether anyone has done anything similar with the post-1785 lists in volume 3 of the book.

I am not familiar with the Petitcodiac immigrants. If the Petitcodiac immigrants all arrived on a specific list of ships, you could create an additional category for the Petitcodiac immigrant ships and add it to the categories for those specific ships. You also could create one or more space pages about these people and the stories of their migration.

by Ellen Smith G2G Astronaut (1.7m points)
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hi Ellen! thanks so much!  The Petitcodiac group are a subsequent emigration/immigration.  Most of them had been in Pennsylvania long enough to become naturalized before taking up Ben Franklin's invitation to move further north, particularly on the Lovey in 1766. But their separate  arrivals in Philadelphia are what is of interest on this connection.

If we could use one of them as an example, Johann Heinrich Stieff "arrived in Philadelphia on October 17, 1749 aboard the ship 'Fane' from Rotterdam, under Captain William Hyndman."  How do I find that information in the book and then link the book to Heinrich's profile?  


I can find Heinrich here: https://archive.org/details/pennsylvaniaser217harruoft/page/306/mode/2up?view=theater

and I can find the Fane here:

https://archive.org/details/pennsylvaniagerm04penn_1/page/480/mode/2up?q=fane and the following two pages.  I can't pick out Heinrich (I'm not experienced with German handwriting), but if i could, what would i do next to link the book to his profile?

The book list ship arrivals in chronological order by date of arrival, so if you have the date a ship arrived you can find it by date in one of the complete-text versions of the book available online.

The arriving passengers list for the Fane, arrived 17 October 1749, is on pages 424 of volume 1 -- https://archive.org/details/pennsylvaniagerm03penn_2/page/424/mode/2up in the Archive.org edition. I skimmed the list, but did not find Johann Heinrich Stieff (your eyes may be sharper...). There is, however, a Johan Henrich Scheidt listed on page 425. The signatures of the passengers on the Fane are in volume 2, beginning on page 483 -- check the signatures to see if you can find him.


Shirlea: I wrote my last comment at about the same time that you wrote your comment about the source where you found Heinrich (which is a book I had not seen before). I think you are referring to the entry for Heinrich Stirf that appears about 8 lines from the bottom of column 1 on page 306 of the book (compiled by Egle in 1892) that you cited.

There are interesting challenges here. There are some large differences between the list in the Egle book and the list in the Strassenburger book (referred to here as Pennsylvania German Pioneers). Both of these are supposedly transcripts of the same list of signatures, which is reproduced in Volume 2 of Strassbenburger, but it is difficult to recognize them as the same list. Both transcripts were (presumably) produced by people with expertise on interpreting the handwriting (not dilettantes like me!).  Seeing that (for example) the transcript in Vol. 1 of Strassenburger does not include a name that even resembles Heinrich Stirf, it is unlikely that amateurs like us would be able to pick that name out from the signatures in Vol. 2 of Strassenburger.

I notice that the Strassenburger Vol. 1 list is arranged in columns that list the names in top-to-bottom order, while the transcribed list in the Egle book is arranged in rows. Thus, for example, the first two names on the list, Christoffel Graff and his son Christoph(el) Graff Junior, are the first two names in vertical order in the first column of the transcribed list in Strassenburger, but are displayed next to each other at the top of the two columns that appear on page 305 of Egle.

From the list in Egle, I would expect that the name Heinrich Stirf would be on the signature list below Casper Kessler, Johannes Olgeyer, and Hans Jacob Stötz, and above Hans Nordhoff, Hans Geo. Kern, and Hans Philip Rieber. In the last column of the transcribed list in Strassburger, I find a sequence that appears to match, consisting of the names Caspar Zesseler, Johannes Schnitzer, Johannes Algeyer, Hans Jacob Götz, Andreas Schnelle, Hinrich Riess, Hans Norffkoh(?), Hans George Kern, and Jerg Philip Rieber. I cannot explain why Johannes Schnitzer and Andreas Schnelle are not also on the Egle list (maybe Egle worked with a different signature list; sometimes new arrivals signed several lists), but I conclude that Strassenburger got Hinrich Riess out of a signature by the person that Egle interpreted as Heinrich Stirf. This is the 7th signature in the second column on page 485 of Strassenburger volume 2. I read that signature as Hinrich ?iess -- I don't know what the ? is, but I do not think it is an R. Your mileage may vary.

I see no benefit from citing that signature list as a stand-alone source. Not only is it unreasonable to ask our cousins and grandchildren to recognize his signature there, but it is not necessarily clear that the signature is by the same man as Johann Heinrich Stieff (however, Hinrich Stieff is a plausible interpretation of the signature). The profile for this man should indicate that he is supposed to have immigrated on the Fane (cite the source that proposed or stated this), cite both the Egle and Strassburger transcriptions of the name on the list that is thought to be his, and cite the page of Strassburger volume 2 where the signature list appears, with an indication of where on the page his name appears. If you are feeling sufficiently ambitious, you could extract the image of that signature from the book page and upload it to WikiTree as an image to illustrate the profile and the source citation.


Ellen,  Have just come across this conversatiion.   Johan Ekel Luckenbill and his reported brother Heinrick Luckenbill were passengers on the Thistle which arrived in Philadelphia on August 29, 1730.   Should I link their profiles to the Thistle?

Judy Luckenbill Brett

@Judy: Sure thing!

Just add [[Category: Thistle of Glasgow, Arrived 29 August 1730]] to the profiles. (That category was created with the name Thistle of Glasgow, but it appears that of Glasgow is not actually part of the ship name. Sometimes it is hard to tell what words are part of the ship name and what words are descriptive details.)

I think these ship categories may sometimes help us discern connections between people who migrated on the same ship.


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