Kuneschhau, a new One-place-study and how to name it?

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Hello everybody,

I’m planing to start a one-place-study soon about a village formerly called Kuneschhau and first would like to give a bit information. At the end I also have a question about the naming.

Kuneschhau was founded in 1342 by German miners hired by the King of Hungary to mine gold in a quite remote and uninhabited area of his realm. The settlers build a mining town (Kremnitz) and several surrounding villages to provide the agricultural products needed. The people then have been forgotten by their paternal nation, but they did not mix much with the Slavic neighbors either, from which they were separated by forest and mountains. They managed to keep and preserve their culture, tradition an even the medieval language or dialect for 600 years. They finally were reincorporated by the Nazi regime against their will in 1940 into the German Reich. Some of them even fought side by side with the Slovakian partisan movement against the Nazis. That was the reason that at the end of WW2 when the Nazis had to retreat, they did burn down the village as retribution. After the war nevertheless nearly all German people were forced to leave the new founded Czechoslovakian Republic just because the were“German”. That was the end of it for this culture after 600 years. The inhabitants of Kuneschhau, over 400 families, have been scattered over all of Europe, mostly Germany but also Austria, France, Italy and Scandinavia. Some even went to America or Australia.

For the OPS I’m going to create a profile for every person who lived in Kuneschhau right before the Nazis came to destroy it. I have a list of every head of household or family that was expelled in 1945. Next step would be to give them their ancestors back up to the year 1700 (for now), so that most of them will be connected to each other. Main goal of this is to try to give every descendant of these expelled people who has an interest in genealogy a place to find their roots and reconnect with unknown cousins.

Therefor I would like to encourage everyone with ancestors from Kuneschhau to get in contact with me, to figure out how he or she fit into the greater picture. By the way I'm the great-grandson of Josephus Neuschl, called Juschko Noëschl paum Ëusbold in medieval dialect. :)

And now the question: How to name that study? Kuneschhau (or Konesch-Haÿ in old language) is the old German name of the village. From 1342 to 1918 it was part of the kingdom of Hungary (Komitat Bars). The Hungarian officials called it Kunosvágása, but not the inhabitants themselves. Nowadays it is called Konošov and belongs to the Republic of Slovakia (Okres Žiar nad Hronom), but this has nothing to do anymore with the aim of this study.

I really want to keep Kuneschhau as a part of the name, so descendants can find it easily. But what region should be added best? Bars, as it was true for like 98% of the time, or Žiar nad Hronom as it is now? Or maybe only the country Slovakia. If its not to long and bulky also Kuneschhau (Konošov), Slovakia One Place Study could be an option? What do the experts have in mind?

Greetings so far, Danny

in The Tree House by Danny Gutknecht G2G6 Mach 8 (88.8k points)
edited by Danny Gutknecht
Thank you for describing this great work, Danny! It's outside my area (except maybe if you'd like to mention some of the names that came to Australia), but I wish you best success with the study.
Very interesting! Thanks for taking this project on Danny!

I'm definitely not an expert ... but I'd think it should be categorized as a Hungarian OPS. IMO, because your study doesn't cover "modern" profiles, it doesn't need the modern Slovakian name included. Maybe titled Kuneschhau, Bars (1700-1945) One Place Study? I'd wait and see what OPS and Hungary projects have to say though.
Hey Jim, hey Traci

The families that went to Australia may have the names Johannes Dauber, Ignatius Oswald, Antonius Neuschl or Paulus Prokein. But it's more a guess since some of the people from neighboring villages went there.

I guess I will first write some concept and wait with the naming a bit and decide later.

Hi Danny. Thank you for the names. A quick hunt didn't find much sorry. The best prospect was the Queensland BDM site. An easy and instant search for surname Dauber there shows three death records that you might like to assess.

I couldn't find Ignatius Oswald in any Australian state, and there was no trace of the surnames Neuschl or Prokein at all.

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Regarding the name: Kunosvágása is a late development.

Maps:
1st military survey (1782-1785): Konesch Haÿ
2nd military survey (1819-1869): Koneschhay (s. Konoṡow)
3rd military survey (1869-1887): Koneshaj (Kunos Vágása)

Gazetteers:
Lipszky's_Repertorium_ (1808): Koneshaj [German], Kunosó [Hungarian], Kunossow [Slovak] [pagus = village]
Fényes Elek (1851): Konosov (Koneshely) [village, landlord the town of Körmöcz]
Dvorzsák (1877): Honesháj, Honeshaj, Hunesch Häw [as an outlying settlement under Körmöczbánya]

as a settlement (telep) belonging to Körmöczbánya:
1873: Koneshaj (Konosov)
1882: Koneshaj (Konoso)
1888: Koneshaj cross-referenced to Konossó; Konossó (Koneshaj)
1892: Kunos-Vágása

as a small village (kisközség) belonging to Körmöczbánya:
1895: Kunos-Vágása
1898: Kunos-Vágása
1900: Kunos-Vágása
1902: Kunosvágása

as a small village (kisközség):
1907: Kunosvágása
1913: Kunosvágása

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I'd probably go with Koneshaj, as that's what Lipszky lists as the German name (even though it uses Hungarian orthography), and it's also found that way on at least one map and in multiple gazetteers.

by J Palotay G2G6 Mach 8 (86.9k points)
selected by Maggie N.

Hello J,

Thanks for the list. I will definitely write something about the history and the name of the village. In short for now: the old name Konesch-Haÿ comes from Konesch, which is medieval dialect for the male name Konrad (short Kuno), who was the founder, and Haÿ, which in the same language means a place build on a clearing after cutting down the trees (treecutting = “hauen” in German). Transferred into real German the name changes to Kuneschhau. Same naming convention is true for the other surrounding villages, like Honneshau, Drexlerhau, Krickerhau, Schmiedshau, Glaserhau etc.

All other names are Hungarian orthography and/or naming from outside, that the inhabitants rarely used and the descendants will not know and find.

Kunosvágása is a direct translation of the German name.
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by Living L G2G6 Pilot (150k points)
Hello Lynn,

Thanks for the links. Yes I know that there are some people left. Some families that helped the partisans were allowed to stay but had to give up all their lands, machines and animals. So not many took this "opportunity".

I myself visited the place several times to see what's left, and found the foundations of our farm and the still intact well house. And talked to some of the old people.

Since quite all people descent from the around 30 founding families, to find a relationship between to Neuschl persons one will have to go back like 12 generations sometimes :)

Unfortunately the "knowing" generation dies out now, and the young people see themselves more as Slovakian.
Hello Readers,

My grandmother was Iren Neuschl from that area,you can email me in personal letter for more information!
I will send you a PM. Thanks for reaching out. If your ancestors are from Kuneschhau directly, I am pretty sure we get you connected.
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Hi Danny,

I hope this project has progressed and your made progress. Half of my ancestors are from Deutsch-litta (Kopernica) down the road from Kuneschhau. I am however looking for a Windisch. (Elisabeth, circa 1860). Great to see more work being done on the forgotten towns.
by Andreas Kuttner G2G Rookie (290 points)
Hey Andreas, nice to meet you.

Progress is slow but steady. I'm a little time constrained at the moment, as I have a few other projects going on, but I'm still working on it, even if it's not so much on Wikitree at the moment, but privately until I get everything sorted. After that a presentation and linking is planned here.

The name Windisch is present in Kuneschhau, but somewhat earlier (ca 1700-1800) and not so numerous. For your period I have rather some notes about Windisch in "Blaufuß". To be able to say more precisely, however, one would have to know more details. Do you already have profiles for Elisabeth or her relatives here on Wikitree? What else is there to say about her?

I would definitely be happy if we could find a connection, as it is really worth not forgetting the "Hauerlanders" :)

Greeting, Danny
I have only just found this site. I have my tree in MyH. I still need to work out this site, haha. So I have a lot of ancestors and DNA verified in Deutsch-litta, and have recently got my Grandmothers Slovakian Birth Cert, Franziska Fronkova (1901) born in Kopernica. Mother Alzbeta Windischova (Elisabeth Windisch) age 40 and Father Jan Fronk (Johann Fronk) age 38. There is no marriage for a Johann Fronk to an Elisabeth Windisch in the Church record. Also no Elisabeth Windisch baptism 1860 -1862. So perhaps she is from a neighboring town. Are the Kuneschhau reecords indexed online? or are there Churchbook images online?

They are online and indexed on Familysearch, but mostly wrong, since they are hard to read since they are in Latin and sometimes even in Hungarian language. I have managed to get copies of the books from the State Archives in Kremnitz and Banská Bystrica, and now work my way through transcibing and indexing myself. I will have a look at it, and see if I can find somthing for you. Normally you have to find a startingpoint before 1918, which you did, so lets see what I can make of it. If you want to try out Wikitree (which I only can recoment) you can try and build the line up to this Elisabeth Windisch. You can not make much wrong, just try out and start, I can help you later, if there are problems.

Greetings, Danny.

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