Edward III Project: Gateway Ancestors - do you have one? (Round 3)

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Gateway Descendants from Edward III
Round 1 Round 2

This is round three of an old G2G question.  Round one is here and two is here.  The idea here is to find new gateway ancestors.  If your ancestor already appears on the list below there is no need post the line.

Below is a list of 17th century new world immigrants with a recognized descent from Edward III, king of England. The list was kindly provided by Douglas Richardson, author of the Royal Ancestry series.  Links to all of them can be found on this page.

This list currently is 70 individuals representing 55 different families. Of the 70 individuals, 32 settled in the Southern Colonies, 27 in the New England Colonies, and 11 were part of the Quaker migration to the Middle Colonies.

Use the Relationship Finder to find if you have a direct connection to Edward III, king of England (Plantagenet-70). Does your gateway ancestor appear below?  If not, we will work to prove or disprove your connection.

Do you have a gateway ancestor from a population group other than American colonial immigrants (e.g. Australian, South African, European, etc.)? Post them here or in a separate G2G post and we will create new categories and new lists to track them. The line must be very well documented.

The List of 17th Century New World Immigrants

Barbara Aubrey, John Barclay, John Bevan, Essex Beville, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Elizabeth Bosvile, Mary Bourchier, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Stephen Bull, Charles Calvert, Edward Carleton, St. Leger Codd, Elizabeth & Thomas Coytemore, William Crymes, Humphrey Davie, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Digges, Robert Drake, Rowland Ellis, John Fenwick, John Fisher, Henry Fleete, Edward Foliot, Muriel Gurdon, Elizabeth & John Harleston, Warham Horsmanden, Patrick Houston, Anne Humphrey, Mary Launce, Hannah, Samuel & Sarah Levis, Thomas Ligon, Nathaniel Littleton, Thomas Lloyd, Agnes Mackworth, Oliver Manwaring, Anne Mauleverer, Richard More, Joseph & Mary Need, John and Margaret Nelson, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Thomas Owsley, John Oxenbridge, Herbert Pelham, Robert Peyton, William & Elizabeth Pole, Henry & William Randolph, George Reade, William Rodney, Thomas Rudyard, Katherine Saint Leger, Richard Saltonstall, William Skepper, Mary Johanna Somerset, Samuel & William Torrey, Margaret Touteville, John West, Hawte Wyatt.

in Genealogy Help by Joe Cochoit G2G6 Pilot (226k points)

20th great grandson (Uncertain)

1. James is the son of [private father]DNA confirmed 
2. [Private] is the son of Lloyd Ward[unknown confidence] 
3. Lloyd is the son of Cecil O Ward (1899-1969) [unknown confidence] 
4. Cecil is the son of Gordon C. Ward (1862-1922) [unknown confidence] 
5. Gordon is the son of Robert J Ward (1834-1909) [unknown confidence] 
6. Robert is the son of Robert W. Ward Jr (1809-1892) [unknown confidence] 
7. Robert is the son of Robert Adam Ward (abt.1773-abt.1858) [unknown confidence] 
8. Robert is the son of Mildred (Adams) Ward (1754-abt.1794) [confident] 
9. Mildred is the daughter of Penelope Flournoy (Lynch) Adams (1734-1785)[unknown confidence] 
10. Penelope is the daughter of Sarah (Clark) Ward (1716-1792) [unknown confidence] 
11. Sarah is the daughter of Penelope (Johnson) Clark (abt.1684-aft.1754)[confident] 
12. Penelope is the daughter of Edward Johnson (abt.1638-abt.1704) [uncertain] 
13. Edward is the son of Barbara Gordon (abt.1600-1650) [uncertain] 
14. Barbara is the daughter of Margaret (Udny) Gordon (abt.1581-aft.1610)[uncertain] 
15. Margaret is the daughter of Matilda (Gordon) Udny (abt.1530-abt.1577)[uncertain] 
16. Matilda is the daughter of William Gordon (-1577) [unknown confidence] 
17. William is the son of Joanna (Stewart) Gordon (1461-1510) [unknown confidence] 
18. Joanna is the daughter of John (Stewart) Stewart of Balveny First Earl of Atholl (abt.1440-1512) [unknown confidence] 
19. John is the son of Joan (Beaufort) Queen Dowager of Scots (abt.1402-abt.1445) [confident] 
20. Joan is the daughter of John Beaufort KG (abt.1371-1410) [confident] 
21. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident] 
22. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377)[confident] 
I didn’t see any of these on the list.

The ancestry of Edward Johnson is not accepted as being correct.

1. James is the son of [private father]DNA confirmed 
2. [Private] is the son of Lloyd Ward[unknown confidence] 
3. Lloyd is the son of Ester Gertrude (Armstrong) Ward (1899-1996) [unknown confidence] 
4. Ester is the daughter of Anabell (Rogers) Armstrong (1874-bef.1904)[unknown confidence] 
5. Anabell is the daughter of Barbara Ellen (Comer) Rogers (abt.1829-1902)[unknown confidence] 
6. Barbara is the daughter of Augustus Comer Jr. (1798-1888) [unknown confidence] 
7. Augustus is the son of Catherine (Rush) Comer (1758-1841) [unknown confidence] 
8. Catherine is the daughter of Lydia (Bell) Rush (abt.1748-1828) [unknown confidence] 
9. Lydia is the daughter of Nathaniel T. Bell II (1721-1800) [unknown confidence] 
10. Nathaniel is the son of Mary Scarborough (West) Bell (abt.1686-1767)[unknown confidence] 
11. Mary is the daughter of Anthony West (1662-) [unknown confidence] 
12. Anthony is the son of John West (1638-1703) [unknown confidence] 
13. John is the son of Ann Barlowe (Barloe) West (abt.1607-aft.1658)[confident] 
14. Ann is the daughter of Catherine West (1583-1650) [confident] 
15. Catherine is the daughter of Anne (Knollys) West (1555-abt.1633) [unknown confidence] 
16. Anne is the daughter of Catherine (Carey) Knollys (1524-1568) [confident] 
17. Catherine is the daughter of William Carey (abt.1491-1528) [confident] 
18. William is the son of Margaret (Spencer) Cary (1472-1536) [unknown confidence] 
19. Margaret is the daughter of Eleanor (Beaufort) Spencer (1431-1501) [unknown confidence] 
20. Eleanor is the daughter of Edmund Beaufort KG (abt.1406-1455) [unknown confidence] 
21. Edmund is the son of John Beaufort KG (abt.1371-1410) [unknown confidence] 
22. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident] 
23. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377)[confident]  

This one?

1. James is the son of [private father]DNA confirmed 
2. [Private] is the son of Lloyd Ward[unknown confidence] 
3. Lloyd is the son of Ester Gertrude (Armstrong) Ward (1899-1996) [unknown confidence] 
4. Ester is the daughter of Anabell (Rogers) Armstrong (1874-bef.1904)[unknown confidence] 
5. Anabell is the daughter of Barbara Ellen (Comer) Rogers (abt.1829-1902)[unknown confidence] 
6. Barbara is the daughter of Augustus Comer Jr. (1798-1888) [unknown confidence] 
7. Augustus is the son of Catherine (Rush) Comer (1758-1841) [unknown confidence] 
8. Catherine is the daughter of Lydia (Bell) Rush (abt.1748-1828) [unknown confidence] 
9. Lydia is the daughter of Nathaniel T. Bell II (1721-1800) [unknown confidence] 
10. Nathaniel is the son of Mary Scarborough (West) Bell (abt.1686-1767)[unknown confidence] 
11. Mary is the daughter of Anthony West (1662-) [unknown confidence] 
12. Anthony is the son of John West (1638-1703) [unknown confidence] 
13. John is the son of Ann Barlowe (Barloe) West (abt.1607-aft.1658)[confident] 
14. Ann is the daughter of Catherine West (1583-1650) [confident] 
15. Catherine is the daughter of Anne (Knollys) West (1555-abt.1633) [unknown confidence] 
16. Anne is the daughter of Catherine (Carey) Knollys (1524-1568) [confident] 
17. Catherine is the daughter of William Carey (abt.1491-1528) [confident] 
18. William is the son of Margaret (Spencer) Cary (1472-1536) [unknown confidence] 
19. Margaret is the daughter of Eleanor (Beaufort) Spencer (1431-1501) [unknown confidence] 
20. Eleanor is the daughter of Edmund Beaufort KG (abt.1406-1455) [unknown confidence] 
21. Edmund is the son of John Beaufort KG (abt.1371-1410) [unknown confidence] 
22. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident] 
23. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377)[confident]  This one?

Joe - Is the Edward III Project an official Wikitree Project? I couldn't find it in the list of projects. Also, do you plan on a sticker for Edward III gateway ancestors?
No, it is not an official project.  Though considering the size and interest, it probably should be.  I don't really know how to go about making it official. I am not a big fan of stickers and wasn't planning on it.

Alright! I'm trying this again:

20th great granddaughter

1. Lynden is the daughter of Charlene Sue (Iveson) Miles (1931-2013) DNA confirmed 
2. Charlene is the daughter of Charles Darius Iveson (1901-1942) [confident] 

3. Charles is the son of Lucie (Underwood) Iveson (1870-1932) [confident] 
4. Lucie is the daughter of Charles R Underwood (1822-1880) [confident] 
5. Charles is the son of John Underwood (1788-1851) [confident] 
6. John is the son of Elizabeth (Coggeshall) Underwood (1766-1809) [confident] 
7. Elizabeth is the daughter of Cornelius Coggeshall (1741-1765) [confident] 
8. Cornelius is the son of Elizabeth (Freeborn) Coggeshall (abt.1710-1775) [confident] 
9. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth (Nichols) Freeborn (1688-bef.1733) [confident] 
10. Elizabeth is the daughter of Thomas Nichols (abt.1642-1708) [unknown confidence] 
11. Thomas is the son of Edmond N Nichols (1616-1661) [unknown confidence] 
12. Edmond is the son of Cecil Turberville (abt.1600-abt.1661) [unknown confidence] 
13. Cecil is the daughter of Edmond Turberville (1556-1616) [unknown confidence] 
14. Edmond is the son of Elizabeth (Stradling) Turberville (abt.1534-aft.1570) [unknown confidence] 
15. Elizabeth is the daughter of Robert Stradling (abt.1498-aft.1570) [confident] 
16. Robert is the son of Edward Stradling (bef.1473-1535) [confident] 
17. Edward is the son of Thomas Stradling Esq (aft.1454-1480) [confident] 
18. Thomas is the son of Henry Stradling (abt.1412-1476) [confident] 
19. Henry is the son of Joan (Beaufort) Stradling (abt.1390-1479) [confident] 
20. Joan is the daughter of Henry Beaufort (abt.1374-1447) [confident] 
21. Henry is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident] 
22. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident] 

My father's side:

21st great granddaughter

1. Lynden is the daughter of Jack Edward Raber (1925-2009) [confident] 
2. Jack is the son of Lillian (Snodgrass) Raber (1903-1975) [confident] 
3. Lillian is the daughter of Alice Daisy (Buck) Snodgrass (1874-1969) [confident] 
4. Alice is the daughter of Andrew Jackson Buck (1831-1904) [confident] 
5. Andrew is the son of Sarah (Allen) Buck (1788-1872) [confident] 
6. Sarah is the daughter of Sarah Sally (Rhodes) Allen (1765-1841) [confident] 
7. Sarah is the daughter of Rosanna (Budlong) Rhodes (1742-1824) [confident] 
8. Rosanna is the daughter of Rebecca (Davis) Budlong (1722-1802) [confident] 
9. Rebecca is the daughter of Aaron Davis (1686-1736) [confident] 
10. Aaron is the son of Joshua Davis (abt.1666-abt.1736) [confident] 
11. Joshua is the son of Mary (Rodman) Davis (abt.1645-abt.1691) [confident] 
12. Mary is the daughter of John Rodman (1615-abt.1686) [unknown confidence] 
13. John is the son of Thomas William Rodman (abt.1598-abt.1656) [unknown confidence] 
14. Thomas is the son of Francis Redman (1563-) [unknown confidence] 
15. Francis is the son of William Redman (1522-1598) [unknown confidence] 
16. William is the son of James Redman (-1525) [unknown confidence] 
17. James is the son of Margery (Tunstall) Redman (1472-1493) [unknown confidence] 
18. Margery is the daughter of Alice (Neville) Tunstall (abt.1455-abt.1498) [unknown confidence] 
19. Alice is the daughter of George Neville (abt.1433-1476) [uncertain] 
20. George is the son of Richard (Neville) de Neville KG (abt.1400-abt.1460) 
21. Richard is the son of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379-1440) [confident] 
22. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident] 
23. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident] 

#13 is one problem in the 2nd tree - this person almost certainly didn't have a middle name William, so this is either Thomas or William Redman. Researching further #15 is cited in this source but they only had a daughter Frances and not a son Francis and no mention of that 2nd marriage, probably because this is a different line you can see in this pedigree in the same book. I'm going to disconnect his son/2nd wife and see if I can find where they might fit in the Thorton-in-Lonsdale line.

Update: someone could go through the pedigrees and fix this tree, but so many of the profiles are mis-connected or missing I just disconnected this line for now. 

Disconnected Edmond N Nichols (1616-1661) as the father of Thomas Nichols (abt.1642-1708)- nothing in the sources support any connection (the middle initial is suspicious). 

In addition, the source specifically says Thomas was not related to Richard Nichols.

85 Answers

+6 votes
There are several lines of descent from Edward III that relatives have claimed. The first is through my father's side.
4. Warren is the son of Isaac Clift (1858-1934)
6. Charity is the daughter of Lewis Brumbelow Sr. (1795-1878)
7. Lewis is the son of Lydia Ann Leah (Medcalf) Bumbalough (1773-1850)
8. Lydia is the daughter of William Medcalf IV (abt.1741-1798)
9. William is the son of Ann (Lowther) Metcalf (1712-1752)
10. Ann is the daughter of Charles Lowther (1671-1728)
11. Charles is the son of Edward James Lowther (1645-)
12. Edward is the son of George Lowther (1618-1683)
13. George is the son of William Lowther (1574-1641)
14. William is the son of Frances Middleton (1533-1597)
15. Frances is the daughter of Anne (de Tunstall) Middleton (1509-)
18. Alice is the daughter of George Neville (abt.1433-1476)
The second line is on my mother's side of the family, through Obadiah Bruen's mother Anne Fox.
12. Rebecca is the daughter of Obadiah Bruen (bef.1606-aft.1680)
13. Obadiah is the son of Anne (Fox) Bruen (abt.1575-1606)
14. Anne is the daughter of William Fox (abt.1530-1595)
15. William is the son of Jane (Parr) Fox (abt.1510-abt.1580)
16. Jane is the daughter of William Parr MP (abt.1483-1547)
18. Elizabeth is the daughter of Alice (Neville) FitzHugh (abt.1430-aft.1503)

by Chase Clift G2G6 (6.8k points)

The ancestry of #17 Alice (Neville) Tunstall is uncertain and is probably not Archbishop George Neville. However, most every possibilty is also an Ed. III descendant.

SGM Post: Alice Neville

+6 votes

He's my 19th GGF. Gateway ancestor looks to be No. 12,  Anne (Weston) Williams (abt. 1574 - abt. 1629).

1. John is the son of Paul Henry Kingman (1910-1989) DNA confirmed
2. Paul is the son of Nellie Belle (Howard) Kingman (1881-1966) DNA confirmed
3. Nellie is the daughter of Charles Wesley Howard (1842-1927) DNA confirmed
4. Charles is the son of Mary Morton (Bates) Howard (1807-1846) [confident]
5. Mary is the daughter of Elisha Bates (1781-abt.1861) [confident]
6. Elisha is the son of Benjamin Bates (1739-1804) [confident]
7. Benjamin is the son of Fleming Bates (abt.1710-1784) [confident]
8. Fleming is the son of John Bates (1685-1723) [confident]
9. John is the son of Elizabeth Whitney (Daniel) Bates (abt.1655-abt.1692) [confident]
10. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth (Williams) Daniel (abt.1623-1702) [confident]
11. Elizabeth is the daughter of Anne (Weston) Williams (abt.1574-abt.1629) [confident]
12. Anne is the daughter of Jerome Weston (abt.1550-1603) [confident]
13. Jerome is the son of Richard Weston (abt.1513-1572) [confident]
14. Richard is the son of Cecilia (Neville) Weston (abt.1491-1573) [uncertain]
15. Cecilia is the daughter of Ralph Neville (abt.1475-1499) [confident]
16. Ralph is the son of Ralph Neville KB (abt.1456-1498) [confident]
17. Ralph is the son of Anne (Holland) Douglas (abt.1430-1486) [confident]
18. Anne is the daughter of John (Holland) de Holland (abt.1395-1447) [confident]
19. John is the son of Elizabeth (Lancaster) Holand LG (abt.1362-1425) [confident]
20. Elizabeth is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident]
21. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]

by John Kingman G2G6 Mach 3 (32.9k points)

This is a very interesting case which I think is correct but is not accepted by the powers that be in medieval genealogy.

The question is at generation 16, did John Weston really marry a daughter of the Earl of Westmorland.

I see that some of this is already noted on Cecilia Neville's profile.

Thanks for the background.

Although Anne Weston may not be an official Edward III descendant, is she not a gateway ancestor, given that she had children born in the Virginia colony?

Which project would that fall under?

Every immigrant ancestor could be defined as a gateway ancestor. The glossary for the Magna Carta Project distinguishes between lowercase & uppercase, and the project's Gateway Ancestors category includes only those within the scope of the project - those documented by Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry, which Anne's profile cites. But she is not one whose lineage is documented in MCA. (Just checked Royal Ancestry and she's not listed as a Gateway there either.)

While Richardson lists her as a child of Mary Cave & Jerome Weston, he does not name any of her children & the documented trail continues through her sister Mary. Lookingat the attached profiles for Anne's children, only one shows born in Virginia - when Anne would have been close to 50 years old. That child is probably not Anne's.

Of the six children shown for Anne, Elizabeth (her fifth) seems to have been the only one not born in England.

It looks like her sixth child, Edward, was born in 1628, so she would have been about 54 if she was born in 1574.

Too much that's iffy here, methinks.
+5 votes

So I have no idea which one is the gateway here - except dad.  It is different interestingly than the direct relationship that comes from connection to me.  I actually believe this one to be one of the highest confidence level.  i have DNA proof to the break.  I have 9 others but like this one the best.

1. Lloyd is the son of Gerald Aubrey Hunt (1929-2018) 

2. Gerald is the son of Aubrey de Vere Hunt (1904-1996) 
3. Aubrey is the son of George Pfeilitzer Hunt (1874-1935) 
4. George is the son of Emily Foott (1843-1912) 
5. Emily is the daughter of Louisa Rogers (abt.1802-1867) 
6. Louisa is the daughter of Alexander Rogers (1756-1828) 
7. Alexander is the son of Martha Pigott (1730-1781) 

8. Martha is the daughter of Emmanuel Pigott MP (aft.1684-1762) 
9. Emmanuel is the son of Thomas Pigott (abt.1650-)
10. Thomas is the son of Alexander Pigott (abt.1618-abt.1680)
11. Alexander is the son of Martha (Colclough) Pigott (abt.1598-aft.1655)
12. Martha is the daughter of Martha (Loftus) Colclough (abt.1575-1609) 
13. Martha is the daughter of Adam Loftus (abt.1533-abt.1605) 
14. Adam is the son of Alice (Sutton) Loftus (1505-1601) 
15. Alice is the daughter of Cicely (Willoughby) Sutton (abt.1466-1539) 
16. Cicely is the daughter of Joan (Strangeways) Berkeley (1427-1485)
17. Joan is the daughter of Catherine (Neville) Mowbray (1399-1478)
18. Catherine is the daughter of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379-1440) 
19. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) 
20. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) 
This makes Edward the 18th great grandfather of Lloyd.

by Lloyd de Vere Hunt G2G6 Mach 2 (28.6k points)
I'm not saying it's wrong necessarily, but none of the sources currently on WikiTree confirm that Alice Sutton (or Dudley) married Edward Loftus, and was the mother of Adam Loftus.  So that connection needs more research.
Hi John

You can go ahead and decouple them.  I backtracked through the sources at various points and found that they actually came to this entry.

I have several other ways there anyways and thought this one novel as I hadn't seen it before.
+6 votes
by Allen McGrew G2G6 Mach 1 (11.9k points)

So I can check later:

9. Ruth is the daughter of Philip Nelson (1635-1691)  
10. Philip is the son of Dorothy (Stapleton) Nelson (abt.1608-1637)  
11. Dorothy is the daughter of Philip Stapleton (abt.1576-bef.1619)  
12. Philip is the son of Katherine (Constable) Stapleton (abt.1553-abt.1580)  
13. Katherine is the daughter of Marmaduke Constable (abt.1533-abt.1574) 
14. Marmaduke is the son of Katherine (Manners) Constable (1505-aft.1558)  
15. Katherine is the daughter of Anne (St Leger) Manners (1476-abt.1526)  
16. Anne is the daughter of Anne (York) de St Leger (1439-abt.1476)  
17. Anne is the daughter of Richard (York) of York (1411-1460) [confident] 
18. Richard is the son of Richard (York) of York (1376-1415)
19. Richard is the son of Edmund (Plantagenet) of Langley KG (1341-1402)  
20. Edmund is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377)  

Actually, Philip Nelson is already on the list of recognized gateway ancestors to Edward III.
+6 votes

The potential gateway ancestor here would be Isaac Jackson, but it’s not clear whether he had arrived in America before 1700.

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Relationship&action=calculate&person1_name=Plantagenet-70&person2_name=McGrew-132

by Allen McGrew G2G6 Mach 1 (11.9k points)
I think you linked the wrong trail.  It is the same as the one above.

I found the trail that had Isaac on it:

1. Isaac is the son of Anthony Jackson III (abt.1628-1695) [confident]
2. Anthony is the son of Anthony Jackson (1599-1666) [confident]
3. Anthony is the son of Ursula (Hildyard) Jackson (abt.1577-abt.1607) [unknown confidence]
4. Ursula is the daughter of Richard Hildyard (1532-1608) [unknown confidence]
5. Richard is the son of Martin Hildyard (1511-1543) [unknown confidence]
6. Martin is the son of Christopher Hildyard Knt. (-1537) [unknown confidence]
7. Christopher is the son of Joan (de la See) Hildyard (abt.1465-bef.1528) [unknown confidence]
8. Joan is the daughter of Elizabeth (Wentworth) de la See (aft.1440-abt.1480) [confident] - badged by Magna Carta Project
9. Elizabeth is the daughter of Mary (Clifford) Wentworth (1416-1478) [confident]
10. Mary is the daughter of Elizabeth (Percy) Neville (abt.1395-1436) [confident]
11. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth (Mortimer) Camoys (1371-1417) [confident]
12. Elizabeth is the daughter of Philippa (Plantagenet) Mortimer (1355-1382) [confident]
13. Philippa is the daughter of Lionel (Plantagenet) of Antwerp KG (1338-1368) [confident]
14. Lionel is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]
This makes Edward the 12th great grandfather of Isaac.

+6 votes

Hi. I do show as a descendant and my gateway ancestor is not on the list. Here is my lineage:
7. Benjamin is the son of Oliver McCashland (abt.1749-1827) [confident]
8. Oliver is the son of Oliver McCausland (1715-bef.1756) [uncertain]
9. Oliver is the son of John McCausland (-abt.1728) [unknown confidence]
10. John is the son of Jane (Hamilton) McCausland (1661-1721) [unknown confidence]
11. Jane is the daughter of Catherine (Leslie) Hamilton (1640-) [unknown confidence]
12. Catherine is the daughter of James Leslie (aft.1600-) [confident]
13. James is the son of James Leslie (-1620) [unknown confidence]
14. James is the son of Janet (Innes) Leslie (abt.1520-) [unknown confidence]
15. Janet is the daughter of Elspeth (Stewart) Innes (1474-1564) [unknown confidence]
16. Elspeth is the daughter of John (Stewart) Stewart of Balveny First Earl of Atholl (abt.1440-1512) [unknown confidence]
17. John is the son of Joan (Beaufort) Queen Dowager of Scots (abt.1402-abt.1445) [confident]
18. Joan is the daughter of John Beaufort KG (abt.1371-1410) [confident]
19. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident]
20. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]

by Beth Stephenson G2G6 Mach 2 (24.1k points)

Beth - that "uncertain" would throw it out of the running (the relationship between McCausland-260 and McCausland-5 is marked as Uncertain). The biography for https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/McCausland-260 doesn't mention children, or sources, or much of anything -

Oliver McCausland was born in 1715, the son of John McCausland by his wife Amy Jane Norris . He is the son of John McCausland.

However, the image of the abstract of the deed appears to name Oliver among his children: https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/McCausland-Photos-260

Was "Uncertain" selected by accident?

Thank you, Liz!  As always, the tree is a work in progress. I will work on updating it.
+6 votes

Here is the lineage with Gateway Ancestor in the 17th Century: 

7. Ann is the daughter of Philip Hopkins (1749-abt.1825)
8. Philip is the son of Sarah (Giles) Hopkins (1723-1795) 
9. Sarah is the daughter of Cassandra (Smith) Giles (abt.1700-bef.1755) 
10. Cassandra is the daughter of Elizabeth (Coale) Smith (1671-aft.1746) 
11. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth (Thomas) Talbott (abt.1651-bef.1726) 
12. Elizabeth is the daughter of Philip Thomas (abt.1610-1674)
13. Philip is the son of Evan Thomas Sr. (1578-abt.1650) 
14. Evan is the son of John Phillip Thomas (bef.1570-aft.1591) 
15. John is the son of Thomas Ap Griffith (abt.1550-aft.1591) 
16. Thomas Ap is the son of Eleanor Johnes (1529-1560) 
17. Eleanor is the daughter of Mary (Berkeley) Johnes (abt.1510-aft.1567)
18. Mary is the daughter of Susan (FitzAlan) Berkeley (abt.1476-) 
19. Susan is the daughter of William (FitzAlan) Arundel (abt.1452-) 
20. William is the son of Joan (Neville) FitzAlan (abt.1423-bef.1462) 
21. Joan is the daughter of Richard (Neville) de Neville KG (abt.1400-abt.1460) 
22. Richard is the son of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379-1440) 
23. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399)
24. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) 

by Beth Stephenson G2G6 Mach 2 (24.1k points)

Beth - I'm fair certain about the trail from Elnor Johnes to Edward III. Looking from her son Thomas to Philip Hopkins, not so much. For example, Thomas-1281 has a note followed by "This line of descent should be used, therefore, with great caution." His son who immigrated - Evan - seems fairly well documented. I'm thinking the note meant Thomas-1281's ancestral line.

Thank you, Liz!!! I am not sure about the lineage, either. I appreciate you taking a look at it.
+5 votes

Here's another one. Gateway ancestor looks to be No. 12, Frances (Dighton) Williams (bef.1611-abt.1706).

1. John is the son of Paul Henry Kingman (1910-1989) DNA confirmed
2. Paul is the son of Nellie Belle (Howard) Kingman (1881-1966) DNA confirmed
3. Nellie is the daughter of Margaret Cordelia (Vanorsdol) Howard (1844-1918) DNA confirmed
4. Margaret is the daughter of Manley Paddleport Vanorsdol (1812-1881) DNA confirmed
5. Manley is the son of Lucy (Hathaway) Van Orsdall (1782-1863) [confident]
6. Lucy is the daughter of Mercy (Williams) Hathaway (abt.1757-1838) [confident]
7. Mercy is the daughter of Joseph Williams (1718-1787) [confident]
8. Joseph is the son of James Williams (1703-1779) [unknown confidence]
9. James is the son of Seth Williams (1678-1761) [unknown confidence]
10. Seth is the son of Samuel Williams (bef.1637-1697) [unknown confidence]
11. Samuel is the son of Frances (Dighton) Williams (bef.1611-abt.1706) [confident]
12. Frances is the daughter of Jane (Bassett) Deighton (abt.1584-1631) [confident]
13. Jane is the daughter of Edward Bassett (abt.1558-bef.1602) [confident]
14. Edward is the son of William Bassett Esq (abt.1538-1626) [confident]
15. William is the son of Robert Basset (abt.1512-1572) [confident]
16. Robert is the son of Jane (Davis) Bassett (abt.1468-) [unknown confidence]
17. Jane is the daughter of William Darcy (1443-1488) [unknown confidence]
18. William is the son of Richard Darcy (1424-1458) [unknown confidence]
19. Richard is the son of Joan (Greystoke) Darcy (1408-1456) [unknown confidence]
20. Joan is the daughter of Elizabeth (Ferrers) Greystoke (abt.1393-1434) [unknown confidence]
21. Elizabeth is the daughter of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379-1440) [confident]
22. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident]
23. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]

by John Kingman G2G6 Mach 3 (32.9k points)
John - Frances is already listed as a Gateway (Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton). I think that Joe is looking for new Gateways.
Has she been approved? It looks like she is still a work in progress: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Magna_Carta_Team_Base_Camp#Magna_Carta_Trails_Underway
Richardson (although not infallible) has documented her trail to one or more surety barons. The trails for her/her sisters that need to be developed in WikiTree are listed on her mother's profile - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bassett-755#Magna_Carta_Trails (the "Richardson-documented" ones). But I was referring to the list Joe has in this G2G question, which lists her/her sisters also.
Oh, I see. Somehow I missed her when I scanned the list.

Thanks for the clarification, though, I didn't know about the Richardson documentation.
+5 votes

So many lines to test out....Amusing that all are intertwined in some way, cousins, uncles, aunts, grandparents. Please let me know of any stumbling blocks. Thanks

Stephanie Beamishimage daughter of
imageWarren Beamish  son of
imageDel Beamish son of
imageCharles Beamish son of

Albert Beamishimage son of
imageCharles Beamish son of

William Beamishimage son of


imageAlice Bernard daughter of
imageRose Echlin daughter of
imageJohn Echlin son of
imageMary Leslie daughter of


Leslie-1297.pngHenry Leslie son of
imageJames Leslie brother of
imageNorman Leslie son of


imageMargaret Crichton daughter of
imageMargaret Stewart daughter of
Stewart-1166-1.jpgJames Stewart son of
imageJoan Beaufort daughter of


Beaufort-11.pngJohn Beaufort son of
John PlantagenetPlantagenet-1464.jpg son of 

  1. Plantagenet-1561.gifEdward III Plantagenet
     
by Stephanie Alakas G2G2 (2.5k points)
edited by Stephanie Alakas

Hi Stephanie
For this exercise, we are looking for a direct ancestral relationship between you and Edward III.  In the above, you have James Leslie brother of Norman Leslie as one step and as already mentioned, James Leslie is not the son of Margaret Crichton.

When I have a look at the Relationship Finder between you and Edward III (Plantagenet-70), there are 13 different ways you connect, and following is the first one, though there is no guarantee that any of them will prove to be well documented.

1. Stephanie is the daughter of [private father]
2. [Private] is the son of Nora Margaret (Rogers) Beamish (1915-1995) 
3. Nora is the daughter of Percy Robert Rogers (1872-1934) 
4. Percy is the son of Robert Zacheus Rogers (1842-1911) 
5. Robert is the son of James G. Rogers (1805-abt.1874) 
6. James is the son of David McGregor Rogers (1772-1824) 
7. David is the son of Margaret (McGregor) Rogers (abt.1745-1793) 
8. Margaret is the daughter of David McGregor (1710-1777) 
9. David is the son of Maryanne Ann (Cargill) Clark (1684-1736) 
10. Maryanne is the daughter of David Cargill (1661-1734) 
11. David is the son of John Cargill (abt.1620-1683) 
12. John is the son of Jeane (Gray) Cargill (abt.1594-abt.1652) 
13. Jeane is the daughter of Lydia Ann Gray (1578-1635) 
14. Lydia is the daughter of Patrick Gray (1555-1611) 
15. Patrick is the son of Patrick Gray (1538-abt.1584) 
16. Patrick is the son of Patrick (Gray) Gray of Buttergask IVth Lord Gray (abt.1508-1584) 
17. Patrick is the son of Gilbert Gray (1480-1541) 

18. Gilbert is the son of Elizabeth (Stewart) Stewart Lady Gray (aft.1460-) 
19. Elizabeth is the daughter of John (Stewart) Stewart of Balveny First Earl of Atholl (abt.1440-1512) 
20. John is the son of Joan (Beaufort) Queen Dowager of Scots (abt.1402-abt.1445) 
21. Joan is the daughter of John Beaufort KG (abt.1371-1410) 
22. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) 
23. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) 

 

I can see that you have already identified Lydia Ann Gray as a problem.
+5 votes
I used the Relationship Finder for a direct line from Edward III and it told me that I was his 20th great granddaughter. However, I find no common name in your Gateway Ancestor list. Thomas Canby from Thorne,Yorkshire,England was the immigrant ancestor descended from Mary Radcliffe Baker (Bowker) through Robert, James, John, and Alice Dudley Radcliffe to the Cliffords and Nevilles. My name is Barbara McCleary Berman. McCleary-445
by Barbara Berman G2G Crew (780 points)

9. Martha is the daughter of Thomas Canby (abt.1667-1742) [unknown confidence]
10. Thomas is the son of Mary Elizabeth (Baker) Canby (1640-abt.1678) [unknown confidence]
11. Mary is the daughter of Mary (Radcliffe) Bowker (abt.1610-1645) [unknown confidence]
12. Mary is the daughter of Robert Radcliffe (bef.1582-1633) [unknown confidence]
13. Robert is the son of James Radcliffe (abt.1545-aft.1587) [confident]
14. James is the son of John Radcliffe (abt.1505-abt.1545) [unknown confidence]
15. John is the son of Alice (Dudley) Radcliffe (abt.1477-1554) [unknown confidence]
16. Alice is the daughter of Matilda (Clifford) Sutton (bef.1441-aft.1481) [unknown confidence]
17. Matilda is the daughter of Thomas Clifford (1414-1455) [confident]
18. Thomas is the son of Elizabeth (Percy) Neville (abt.1395-1436) [confident]
19. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth (Mortimer) Camoys (1371-1417) [confident]
20. Elizabeth is the daughter of Philippa (Plantagenet) Mortimer (1355-1382) [confident]
21. Philippa is the daughter of Lionel (Plantagenet) of Antwerp KG (1338-1368) [confident]
22. Lionel is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]

James Radcliffe of Manchester has been detached as a son of John Radcliffe of Derwentwater.  John Radcliffe had no surviving sons and his only heir was a daughter Dorothy.
+5 votes
According to the relationship finder, this is the link to the first of 9 lines that I have to Edward III.
https://www.wikitree.com/index.phptitle=Special:Relationship&action=calculate&person1_name=Plantagenet-70&person2_name=Huffman-1031
I have not been able to find a Gateway Ancestor for any lines that I have tried.  Not to Edward III or any other Royal.  I have also been unsuccessful in finding a GA to the Magna Carta Sureties.  Supposedly I am descended from a number of them and quite a few directly.  Also, some of the lines are marked Confident in the Relationship Finder, but I don't have a Gateway Ancestor.  I seem to have many, many ancestors who came to America in the 1600s, but they must not be in these lines and, in the lines I have that go back to Royalty or Magna Carta, the immigrant arrived after 1700.
That is how it looks to me at this point anyway!  
There are 9 ways I descend from Edward III in the Relationship Finder.  Some of them go through Robert Irvine.  He could possibly be a GA, but I have not researched this part of my tree and he is not on the list.
Any help with a Gateway Ancestor for Edward III would be appreciated.
by Mary Ann Solbrig G2G Crew (630 points)
looks like your immigrant ancestor is https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Findley-12 - and you're right, he's not on the list.
I've looked several times at the Finlay/Finley/Findley genealogy on WikiTree and most of it is based on a series of unsourced family genealogies, which seem to copy each other and none of them cite any primary sources and have various impossibilities.  Consequently I wouldn't put any faith in a link through that family.
+6 votes
I am trying to add my line and it keeps telling me it is over 12000 characters when it isn't even close to that.  What am I doing wrong?  It is no longer than others I see posted here.
by Mary Ann Solbrig G2G Crew (630 points)
I have yet to figure out what causes "bloat" in a G2G post, but I'm told that it's links and coding (bold, etc.). Maybe post in two parts?
I had to go back in and delete all the "confident" etc to get mine to fit.
+5 votes

I thought that I had already answered this question, but I do not see that my answer was posted, so I'm posting again. Most of my lines of descent to Edward run through Philip Nelson (Nelson-696) who is already recognized as a gateway ancestor.  However, I found two potential gateway ancestors who are not presently recognized. Both lines incluce a lot of unknown confidences.

Thank you for doing this.

(1) Isaac Jackson - Isaac Jackson (1665-1750) | WikiTree FREE Family Tree who may have immigrated shortly after rather than before 1700.

Isaac is the son of Anthony Jackson III (abt.1628-1695) [confident]

Anthony is the son of Anthony Jackson (1599-1666) [confident]
Anthony is the son of Ursula (Hildyard) Jackson (abt.1577-abt.1607) [unknown confidence]
Ursula is the daughter of Richard Hildyard (1532-1608) [unknown confidence]
Richard is the son of Martin Hildyard (1511-1543) [unknown confidence]
Martin is the son of Christopher Hildyard Knt. (-1537) [unknown confidence]
Christopher is the son of Joan (de la See) Hildyard (abt.1465-bef.1528) [unknown confidence]
Joan is the daughter of Elizabeth (Wentworth) de la See (aft.1440-abt.1480) [confident]
Elizabeth is the daughter of Mary (Clifford) Wentworth (1416-1478) [confident]
Mary is the daughter of Elizabeth (Percy) Neville (abt.1395-1436) [confident]
Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth (Mortimer) Camoys (1371-1417) [confident]
Elizabeth is the daughter of Philippa (Plantagenet) Mortimer (1355-1382) [confident]
Philippa is the daughter of Lionel (Plantagenet) of Antwerp KG (1338-1368) [confident]
Lionel is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]

(2) Thomas Womble Sr. (1600-1664) | WikiTree FREE Family Tree

Thomas is the son of William Wombwell (abt.1565-) [unknown confidence]
William is the son of Thomas Wombwell (abt.1540-1613) [unknown confidence]
Thomas is the son of William Wombwell (1516-1577) [unknown confidence]
William is the son of Catharine Mauleverer (abt.1489-) [unknown confidence]
Catharine is the daughter of Anne (Conyers) Mauleverer (1470-1546) [unknown confidence]
Anne is the daughter of Anne (Bigod) Conyers (1435-1531) [unknown confidence]
Anne is the daughter of Anne (Greystoke) Bigod (1412-1477) [unknown confidence]
Anne is the daughter of Elizabeth (Ferrers) Greystoke (abt.1393-1434) [unknown confidence]
Elizabeth is the daughter of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379-1440) [confident]

Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident]
John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]

by Allen McGrew G2G6 Mach 1 (11.9k points)
edited by Allen McGrew
Thomas, son of William Wombwell, is not the same as Thomas Wombwell immigrant to Virginia. Thomas Wombwell, son of William, was Vicar of Wath and was buried unmarried on 28 October 1661. I will be breaking this line here.
Thanks for your work on this! I thought that looked like a pretty dubious line. It's one I have not yet had an opportunity to research.
+4 votes
After Round II, my best relationship is first cousin to Edward III, but I now tried my wife's line and she is 19th great granddaughter through John Welsh (Welsh-57). Could someone confirm that?
by Joseph Boyle G2G1 (1.0k points)
+4 votes

Not sure whose who on this. Probably will change as you research. It just did. My line to him Changes every time I check. Probably no connection at all.

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Relationship&action=calculate&person1_name=Plantagenet-378&person2_name=Ward-11186

by Gigi Tanksley G2G6 Mach 3 (33.8k points)

William Barksdale is not known to be a son of Dorothy Wodhull.  It is a guess unsupported by any actual evidence.

10. William is the son of William Barksdale (abt.1629-abt.1694) [unknown confidence]
11. William is the son of Dorothy (Wodhull) Barkesdale (1596-1649) [unknown confidence]
12. Dorothy is the daughter of Nicholas Wodhull (1564-bef.1631) [unknown confidence]
13. Nicholas is the son of Fulke Wodhull Esq. (1529-abt.1613)
14. Fulke is the son of Elizabeth (Parr) Wodhull (abt.1505-1531)
15. Elizabeth is the daughter of William Parr MP (abt.1483-1547)
16. William is the son of Elizabeth (Fitzhugh) Parr (abt.1460-bef.1508) 
17. Elizabeth is the daughter of Alice (Neville) FitzHugh (abt.1430-aft.1503)
18. Alice is the daughter of Richard (Neville) de Neville KG (abt.1400-abt.1460) 
19. Richard is the son of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379-1440) 
20. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) 
21. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) 
22. Edward is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1284-1327) 

+4 votes
Francis Wyatt (1583-1644), son of George Wyatt and Lady Jane Finch and a cousin of Hawt Wyatt.  Looks like he immigrated in 1621 to Jamestown.  In the Census of 1624 it says he was the governor of James City.  He married Margaret Sandys in 1618 when he was still living in Boxley, Kent, England.
by Kelly Clarke G2G1 (1.1k points)
Francis Wyatt would count.  I believe he is not on the list because he did not leave American descendants (do you know of any?). The concept of a gateway ancestor is harder for people whose lines are entirely in the UK. I should probably make a special category for them.
+4 votes

25th great grandson

9. Smith is the son of George Collins (abt.1770-abt.1845) [confident]
10. George is the son of William Collins (1747-) [unknown confidence]
11. William is the son of Elizabeth (Girlington) Collins [unknown confidence]
12. Elizabeth is the daughter of Nicholas Gillington (1676-bef.1773) [confident]
13. Nicholas is the son of John Girlington (1637-1706) [unknown confidence]
14. John is the son of John Girlington (1613-1645) [unknown confidence]
15. John is the son of Nicholas Girlington (1582-1627) [unknown confidence]
16. Nicholas is the son of Christiana (Babthorpe) Girlington (abt.1565-abt.1617) [unknown confidence]
17. Christiana is the daughter of Frances (Dawnay) Sulyard (1540-abt.1605) [unknown confidence]
18. Frances is the daughter of Edith (Darcy) Dawnay (abt.1519-1585) [unknown confidence]
19. Edith is the daughter of George Darcy (1497-1558) [unknown confidence]
20. George is the son of Thomas Darcy KG (abt.1467-1537) [unknown confidence]
21. Thomas is the son of William Darcy (1443-1488) [unknown confidence]
22. William is the son of Richard Darcy (1424-1458) [unknown confidence]
23. Richard is the son of Joan (Greystoke) Darcy (1408-1456) [unknown confidence]
24. Joan is the daughter of Elizabeth (Ferrers) Greystoke (abt.1393-1434) [unknown confidence]
25. Elizabeth is the daughter of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379-1440) [confident]
26. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident]
27. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]
This makes Edward the 25th great grandfather of Erik.

[[Gillington-2|Nicholas Gillington (1676-bef.1773)]] would be the Gateway ancestor though he is not on the list.  

by Erik Granstrom G2G6 Mach 3 (30.8k points)

Why do we think Nicholas Gillington was the son of John Gillington and Margaret Duckett? I find no contemporary records to suggest this is true.

More research is needed.

There is a sentence I have seen quoted on a couple websites that states:

"Nicholas Girlington who died in Halifax Co. VA in 1773 left a signed paper in Halifax Court records showing a sketch of a wing of the castle. John Girlington and second wife Margaret Duckett were probably the last Girlington residents of Thurland castle."

https://www.thesalmons.org/lynn/family/thurland.html

http://www.shissem.com/Hissem_Merchants_of_Lancaster.html

Though when researching the children of John Girlington (1637 - 1706) it seems like he may have had four daughters as his only children.

From Find a Grave,

"It is possible that Margaret Duckett gave birth to Nicholas Girlington out of wedlock, which could account for Nicholas not being identified as heir to John's possessions. This issue may take much more research for resolution."

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/72780987/john-girlington

I have seen that supposed sketch reference too, but that is in no way evidence of English origins. The bigger problem is that John Girlington had no sons in his will, or in the Visitations

John Girlington had four daughters (Magdalen, Katherine, Elizabeth, Margaret). Magdalen married Henry Butler of Rawcliffe Hall and eventually became the sole heiress of her father. Thurland Castle passed from John Girlington to his daughter Magdalen (Girlington) Butler, then to their daughter Catherine (Butler) Markham (the sons being excluded from inheritance because they were recusants). To say that "maybe he was illegitimate" is just hand waving to try and explain away the obvious problem that John Girlington did not have a son Nicholas.

So, we have no real evidence as to the parentage of Nicholas Gillington, and a very good reason to say that he is not.

We also have chronology problem. The children of Nicholas Gillington are poorly dated but all appear to have been born starting in 1715. His wives were born say 1695-1698.  If we accept the birthdate of Nicholas as about (1676), then he married two women a generation younger than himself, didn't start having children until age 39, and continued having children into his mid-50s.  All of this is extremely improbable.

Clearly, Nicholas was born significantly after 1676, and was not the son of John who was born in 1637 and began having children in 1656.
Hi Joe, thanks for the help on this line, I just disconnected the listed parents of Nicholas Gillington and added notes on their pages as well.
+3 votes

1. Margaret is the daughter of Catherine (Campbell) Campbell Lady Monzievaird (abt.1620-) 
2. Catherine is the daughter of Robert Campbell (1575-1657)
3. Robert is the son of Duncan Campbell (1550-1631) 
4. Duncan is the son of Colin Campbell (1512-1583) 
5. Colin is the son of Mariote (Stewart) Campbell (abt.1490-abt.1529) 
6. Mariote is the daughter of John (Stewart) Stewart of Balveny First Earl of Atholl (abt.1440-1512) 
7. John is the son of Joan (Beaufort) Queen Dowager of Scots (abt.1402-abt.1445) 
8. Joan is the daughter of John Beaufort KG (abt.1371-1410) 
9. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399)
10. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) 

by Joe Cochoit G2G6 Pilot (226k points)
Copied over from Round 2.

This line has been checked at each generation, and is being accepted as one of the few new additions to the list.
+4 votes
I need help please. I am the 19th Great Ganddaughter of Edward lll but I for some reason can not copy and paste in the info to show the lineage. I do not know if it is my computer or I am not smart enough to understand what I am suppose to do. I understand the directions that were given to me but for some reason I can not paste the information into this area. I am a direct descandant and wanted to have it vertified and if correct added to the group ot the other descendants. I hate to ask but please help me get my information here to the site. My computer is refusing to copy and paste.

Thank you so much,

Nancy Lowe Sitzlar
by Nancy Sitzlar G2G6 (8.3k points)

This line is good, going through William Randolph who is already on the list:

8. John is the son of Mary (Randolph) Price (1718-) 
9. Mary is the daughter of William Randolph II (1681-1741) 
10. William is the son of William Randolph (bef.1650-1711) 
11. William is the son of Richard Randolph (bef.1622-abt.1678) 
12. Richard is the son of Dorothy (Lane) Randolph (bef.1589-abt.1656) 
13. Dorothy is the daughter of Elizabeth (Vincent) Lane (abt.1565-aft.1629)
14. Elizabeth is the daughter of Anne (Tanfield) Vincent (abt.1537-) 
15. Anne is the daughter of Francis Tanfield Esq. (abt.1512-1588) 
16. Francis is the son of William Tanfield Esq. (abt.1488-1529) 
17. William is the son of Katherine (Neville) Tanfield (aft.1449-1517) 
18. Katherine is the daughter of Edward Neville (abt.1412-1476)
19. Edward is the son of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379-1440)
20. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) 
21. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) 

You actually have many different lines which can be checked.
thank you so much. I just could not get it to copy and paste. So glad it is all correct and on there. once again thank you for helping me.
could you give me a little hint and advice of which ones please.

Thank you

Right below the list of how you are connected in the Relationship Finder there is an "Explore more" area that lists for you 55 different paths that were found to Edward.

You have a line going through Warham Horsmanden (bef.1628-1691) and he is on the list of known Gateway ancestors.  

I see another line going Peter Beverly (1610 - abt. 1650) who is an ancestor of mine too.  We talked about him in the second project posting and he may be an accurate Gateway Ancestor though he needs more research and sources to connect him to his parents.

You have an interesting line here where Margaret (Johnstone) Ker (1661 - 1734) would be the Gateway ancestor, though she is not on the list:

8. Margaret is the daughter of Robert Barclay I (1723-1788) [confident]
9. Robert is the son of Margaret (Ker) Barclay (1691-abt.1769) [unknown confidence]
10. Margaret is the daughter of Margaret (Johnstone) Ker (1661-1734) [unknown confidence]
11. Margaret is the daughter of James Johnstone (abt.1640-bef.1695) [unknown confidence]
12. James is the son of Isabel (Maitland) Johnson (1626-) [unknown confidence]
13. Isabel is the daughter of Thomas Maitland (1593-1637) [unknown confidence]
14. Thomas is the son of Jean (Fleming) Kennedy (1554-1609)
15. Jean is the daughter of Barbara (Hamilton) Fleming (aft.1535-bef.1577)
16. Barbara is the daughter of James (Hamilton) Hamilton Duke of Châtellerault (abt.1519-aft.1575)
17. James is the son of James (Hamilton) Hamilton First Earl of Arran (abt.1475-abt.1529)
18. James is the son of Mary (Stewart) Hamilton Countess of Arran (bef.1452-abt.1488)
19. Mary is the daughter of James (Stewart) Stewart King James IInd of Scots (1430-aft.1460)

Here is another interesting route through Scotland, Gateway ancestor would be Matthew Irvine Sr. (abt. 1678 - abt. 1755) though he is not on the list.

6. Robert is the son of William Patterson (1753-1841)
7. William is the son of Robert R Patterson (1727-1795)
8. Robert is the son of Isabella (Irwin) Patterson (1711-1752)
9. Isabella is the daughter of Matthew Irvine Sr. (abt.1678-abt.1755)
10. Matthew is the son of David Irvine (abt.1640-abt.1684)
11. David is the son of Robert Irvine (abt.1620-abt.1646) [confident]
12. Robert is the son of Magdalene Scrymgeour (abt.1600-abt.1650) [confident]
13. Magdalene is the daughter of Margaret (Seton) Scrymgeour (1574-abt.1625) [confident]
14. Margaret is the daughter of Mary (Gray) Seaton (1550-aft.1600) [unknown confidence]
15. Mary is the daughter of Patrick (Gray) Gray of Buttergask IVth Lord Gray (abt.1508-1584) [confident]
16. Patrick is the son of Gilbert Gray (1480-1541) [confident]
17. Gilbert is the son of Elizabeth (Stewart) Stewart Lady Gray (aft.1460-) [confident]
18. Elizabeth is the daughter of John (Stewart) Stewart of Balveny First Earl of Atholl (abt.1440-1512) [unknown confidence]
19. John is the son of Joan (Beaufort) Queen Dowager of Scots (abt.1402-abt.1445) [confident]
20. Joan is the daughter of John Beaufort KG (abt.1371-1410) [confident]
21. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG (abt.1340-1399) [confident]
22. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]
This makes Edward the 20th great grandfather of Nancy.

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Here is a potential Edward III line on my childhood friends family tree, it is showing Lydia (Lewis) Sharples (1683 - 1763) as the Gateway ancestor, though she is not on the list.  

4. Bertha is the daughter of Alonzo Davenport (1859-1940)
5. Alonzo is the son of Rebecca Rue (1830-1903)
6. Rebecca is the daughter of Rebecca (Talbot) Rue (1793-1858)
7. Rebecca is the daughter of Susanna (Sharpless) Talbot (1750-1831)
8. Susanna is the daughter of Samuel Sharples (1710-1790)
9. Samuel is the son of Lydia (Lewis) Sharples (1683-1763)
10. Lydia is the daughter of Mary (Morgan) Lewis (1645-1704)
11. Mary is the daughter of Anthony Morgan Knt (abt.1617-1665) [uncertain]
12. Anthony is the son of William Morgan (1567-abt.1652) [unknown confidence]
13. William is the son of Thomas Morgan MP (1534-1603) [confident]
14. Thomas is the son of Rowland Morgan (abt.1508-abt.1577) [confident]
15. Rowland is the son of Elizabeth (Vaughan) Morgan (1486-abt.1524) [confident]
16. Elizabeth is the daughter of Joan (Whitney) Vaughan (abt.1462-1550) [confident]
17. Joan is the daughter of Constance (Tuchet) Whitney (abt.1440-bef.1470) [unknown confidence]
18. Constance is the daughter of Eleanor (Holand) Touchet (abt.1405-1452) [confident]
19. Eleanor is the daughter of Constance (York) le Despencer LG (abt.1374-1416) [confident]
20. Constance is the daughter of Edmund (Plantagenet) of Langley KG (1341-1402) [confident]
21. Edmund is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England (1312-1377) [confident]
This makes Edward the 19th great grandfather of Anonymous.

by Erik Granstrom G2G6 Mach 3 (30.8k points)

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