Notables Sept 2021

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Hear Ye, Hear Ye

If you are interested in people who are famous, notable, noted, significant, important, historic, heroic, or otherwise fascinating, then the Notables Project might be for you! 

The idea behind this post is for anyone who needs help with connecting Notables to the tree to post to this thread and ask for help, or if you want to tell us whom you have successfully connected up, or if you want to join the Notables Project and get a badge.

Besides checking out the Notables Project page, don't forget to take a look at the Notables List page, where you can find lists of Notables who have profiles which aren't yet connected to the main tree. (For ideas on way to connect unconnected people and branches, see the Hints and Tips on the Connectors Chat page.)

Please remember to concentrate on those Notables who have already passed (died), so that we can see their profiles. If you create a profile for a living Notable, that profile WILL GO UNLISTED and no one can see it except for the PM and anyone on the trusted list!

And remember - Notables should have a Wikipedia page at the very least to qualify. But an entry in the country's NATIONAL Whose Who or a NATIONAL Biography  is acceptable as well. And they should be DEAD!

Deaths listed in Wikipedia for August 2021

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_2021#August

in The Tree House by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)

38 Answers

+8 votes
I would like to join the project please!
by Ralph Allison G2G5 (5.7k points)
Welcome to the Notables Team, Ralph! You might take a minute to read through the Project page (link at the top of this G2G) and let us know if you have any questions. Thanks!
Thanks Scott
+7 votes

I have connected Robert J Kibbee who was son of already notable actor Guy Kibbee and Chancellor of City University of New York. He has a wikipedia page and his obituary was in the New York Times. Can I get him a badge? smiley
 

by Kat Bermingham G2G Crew (410 points)
Hi Kat - anyone with a Wikipedia page automatically qualifies for the project, so we definitely want to get him included.

It appears he is deceased and no need to add the project as co-manager, so he would qualify for the project sticker. This should be added directly below the biography header on the next line as:

{{Notables Sticker}}

Let me know if you have any problems. Thanks!
Awesome! That is done! Thanks
+6 votes
Footballer Jimmy Greaves has died https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Greaves
by Ann-Marie Hamblett G2G6 Pilot (108k points)
does he have a profile on here?

Here he is, still unconnected.

Jimmy Greaves seems to be connected now
yes he is
+6 votes
Actor John Challis known for Boycie in Only Fools and Horses has died
by Ann-Marie Hamblett G2G6 Pilot (108k points)
iv started John Challis profile
I thought I recognized him - he was in a Doctor Who at one time.
does it take a bit more effort then others to connect?
There are always special challenges with each person as it relates to connect. I'll mention the ones I think you'll encounter, although it's hard to say unless you roll up your sleeves and dig in.

1) Records for England are only available as recent as the 1911 Census. There are some additional indicators and hints you can follow that can open up certain avenues, but they're challenging and just take patience and persistence to figure out. Since he was born in 1942, finding specific Cenus, Birth, Marriage, etc. records can be challenging, but as mentioned above, not entirely impossible.

2) The key to connecting him will lie in two directions - ancestors and marriages. His parents are mentioned in Wikipedia (Alec Challis and Joan Harden) so at least the parents are a good clue to start with. From a marriage standpoint, Wikipedia shows him married 4 times and at least 2 times to others who have Wikipedia articles, and one who appears that she might have previously had one. So with those clues, you have some possibility of either encountering an existing profile that may be connected, or chasing his family up the tree to a potential connection.

3) Ethnicelebs.com is a good resource to hunt for clues. Sometimes they get it wrong, so never just blindly accept someone else's genealogical research without double-checking it first, but they do point to other people's research and occasionally they'll point at WikiTree. In his case, I did not find a genealogy there that they're tracking for him.

4) FamilySearch will often have a tree started as well, but again, double-check their research. Since he recently passed, you would probably have to start with the parents, so seek an Alec and Joan Challis from England and if you find one, dig deeper to make sure they're the right ones before making assumptions.

5) And finally, news articles, Google searches, and other internet resources will often drop clues about brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles, or other family members that lead you to additional family you can seek for a connection. Books like biographies can be helpful as well.

Usually once I get a tree going, and there are potential connection sources from family members, I'll chase around the tree for a connection and see what I can come up with.

As it relates to him, I would expect him to be challenging to connect, but if you can find relatives that extend beyond the current 1911 Census barrier, then you've got a decent chance of finding a connection. Good luck.
For English folk - you can sometimes find people in the 1939 Register, but I haven't found that on FamilySearch, only ancestry library.  Of course, that's still no good for people born after 29th September 1939 (or who died between 1911 and 1939).
iv just added parents grandparents then great great parents and so on i use the unconnected missing link tool tool to guide me is that ok?
well iv added his ex wife dad a famous actor hes got a profile on here so now i have to wait to get on there trusted list
i added another wife of his and her dad is on here with a profile he s a American singer iv connected him but his profile is unconnected
John Challis is now connected to big tree
Nice work, Ann-Marie!!
+7 votes

Got two rock stars connected! Stephen 'Stiv' Bators from The Dead Boys, and Andy McCoy from Hanoi Rocks are now connected via their marriage to the same woman. Their mutual father-in-law was a professional Canadian hockey player and may have been a notable in his own right, I'm not sure.

by Jessica Key G2G6 Pilot (314k points)
If you would open up the father-in-law's profile, then others could add some bio.
He's open now!
Open your eyes to the lies right in front of you!
What lies are you talking about Mark ?
It's a song by The Lords of the New Church, Stiv Bators was the front man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Esuqywo9k
Nice work, Jessica!! You always seem to find the most interesting profiles to connect. I'm coming across a lot of the "living" rockers who had profiles created, but no family. So if you're interested I can feed you a list as I come across them. Or we might be lucky and they'd be in the proper category, but that can be hit or miss.
Scott, that'd be great for me!
Hunted down this one, but with him being Deutsch, he might be a challenge unless you have some good German resources.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Meine-39

Just send me a TL request if you're interested.
He's connected, but I'm sure his family could use a once-over and his bio is pretty shabby.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Daltrey-211
This one has no family, but is connected through a spouse.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pereira-748
This one is connected, but no real biography and his family and profile need some TLC.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Eisen-80
This one has some family added, but not connected.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Snider-2378
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Hey y'all. I am interested in joining the Notables project. I have been able to connect my tree to Ray Bradbury and Mary Perkins (Salem Witch Trial accused.) I am interested in how we all connect to each other.
by Sid Kissinger G2G1 (1.6k points)
I think the first thing you're going to want to do is get your own profile connected to the Big Tree. I took a peek at your profile and you are off to a great start. Now try adding names/profiles until you get back to Mary (Perkins) Bradbury. (Don't forget to list your sources!) Mary is connected to the Big Tree, which means that once you connect your profile to hers, you will be connected as well. Once connected, you can scroll to the bottom of your profile and to see how you are connected to each week's featured profiles. You can also then go to any other profile on WikiTree - including notables - and see how you are connected.

If you want to begin working on notable profiles, you can ask for further guidance here or simply jump in and start working on the profile of your choice - just be sure you're familiar with the Honor Code first.
Welcome to the Notables Team, Sid! David gave some good advice as well about working towards your connection, as it will open up a lot of things for you. Let us know if you have any questions. Thanks!!
+5 votes
Actor Willie Garson has died. He was 57 years old.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/entertainment/willie-garson-sex-city-white-235705968.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Garson

I personally am only familiar with him as the alien Martin from Stargate SG-1.
by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
Wow - the more I look at his credits, the more I begin to realize how many parts he really played. I completely forgot about him in Groundhog Day as he's got such a background role, but he was there. I watched White Collar and he was really a main part of that show. He was in the recent Hawaii Five-O remake. So many more. Sad that he passed away so young.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/entertainment/willie-garsons-cause-death-confirmed-050809552.html

His family and his obituary both say he died of Pancreatic cancer...
Yeah - that's a bad one. I've seen too many who get that diagnosis and it's only a matter of months or even weeks before you're gone.
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Singer Sarah Dash has died on 20 Sept 2021. Cofounder of the trio Labelle and best known for performing the original hit "Lady Marmalade".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Dash

by Judi Stutz G2G6 Pilot (330k points)
Looks like she was the first to go from that group. I think everyone has heard Lady Marmalade at one time or another either from them or from the various remixes out there.

"Lady Marmalade" was probably the second song in French I sang as a child right after "Frère Jacques". 

I dont think I have ever heard of Lady Marmalade.

The second most well known french song that I learnt after Frere Jacques was Alouette, Gentle Alouette...
The song only has a brief French section that goes, "Voulez-vous coucher avec moi, ce soir?" Which roughly translated is "do you want to go to bed with me?". This was released in 1974 and all of us little kids running around just repeating the lyrics we heard was awfully cute until the parents began to realize what the song was about and what those words meant. There was a lot of "Don't you EVER let me hear you say that again!" things coming from parents at that point, fights to ban the song, etc. It created quite a stir. They had a cleaner version for typical air play and played the more naughty one less frequently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS31uQpPA88

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Marmalade

https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pattilabelle/ladymarmalade.html
Oh - and it was in the show Moulin Rouge as well.
In my generation there was the song "My Neck and My Back" which all the little kids ran around singing without really understanding what was going on. But even putting aside "Lady Marmalade"'s one lyric in French, the rest of the lyrics make it pretty clear that the titular lady is walking the streets of New Orleans, gitchie-gitching some ya-yas, if you get my meaning.
Oh my... not a lot hidden in THAT song - lol!
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Actress Jane Powell has died on 16 Sept 2021 at age 92.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Powell
by Judi Stutz G2G6 Pilot (330k points)
She appears to have quite an impressive "Hollywood sized" list of ex-spouses. I'd imagine she would be fairly easy to add and connect considering her birth date in 1929 and 5 spouses to check.
+5 votes

Actor Tim Donnelly has died at the age of 77. he played Chet on the television show Emergency. Not necessarily a huge name in Hollywood, but I had the opportunity to meet him when I was a kid so he holds a special place in my youthful memories. (His father, Paul Donnelly, was a production executive at Universal pictures). Not sure if he has a profile yet? (3 Sep 1944 -17 Sep 2021)

by David Randall G2G6 Pilot (349k points)
His Wikipedia profile has a link to his father's obituary which lists the names of several family members.
Got it, chief.

I ended up connecting to his ex-wife Michele McKay and then created a profile for her father, Coach John H. McKay, a notable in his own right. [[McKay-7895|John Harvey McKay (1923-2001)]]

Another great job Judi! I've added a photo of Tim Donnally for those who may be more familiar with his face than his name.

Also, your link to John McKay seems to connect to an "active user" profile. Not sure if it's a problem with the link or his profile settings.
It was just an odd link reference. It should be working now
+6 votes
New to Wikitree, but not new to biographies and personal profiles. I'm a longtime journalist and author. This sounds like a great project to dip my toes into.
by Carolyn Bass G2G4 (4.7k points)
Hey Carolyn,

I've been working on notable profiles for about a year and have been having a great time with it. Do you have a particular interest...Authors? Journalists? Movie Stars? Historical Figures? Part of the fun is you can pick whoever sparks your interest and jump right in. Choose a person already on the tree, or create a profile for someone new.

You'll find we put a lot of emphasis here on connecting people to the "Big Tree" (which is important) but we also need people who enjoy writing solid biographies. Many of our notables have been neglected in this regard. Where WikiTree bios differ from say a Wikipedia bio, is that we tend to place less emphasis on career highlights and achievements and more emphasis on genealogically important facts using sources like vital, census, and military records. (Proper sourcing is always very important). I like to think of our bios as providing "the story behind the story."

For maximum enjoyment be sure to let us know here what you're working on, ask for any help you may need, and keep us posted on you accomplishments. Welcome!

P.S. Be sure to add the "notables" tag to you "interests" in order to receive messages from this thread.

I took a look at your tree and immediately recognized the Baldwin name. I was able to connect your line back to it's English origins, which WikiTree has further extended as far back as 1379. You and I are both descended from Richard Baldwin of Dundridge Manor, Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire. From my calculations, you and my father are thirteenth cousins - making you and I fourteenth cousins 1x removed. Hello Cousin!

Welcome to the Notables Team, Carolyn!
+7 votes

Well, I'm a bit flabbergasted... I submitted my first Wikipedia article for approval and just saw that it got approved! It was a real learning process. They have slightly different goals than WikiTree and it was pretty challenging to understand their formatting, the way they reference their links, the fancy boxes they use to help highlight some of the interesting factoids about the person, and so on. I still have a ways to go before I'm a Wikipedia even "novice", but I did learn from the experience. So I informally approved WikiTree Notable "Harold Morrison" previously, but I suppose now it's official.

by Scott Fulkerson G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
Congratulations Scott! You're Wikipedia article looks great. I'm very impressed.
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Child actor Tommy Kirk has died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Kirk
by Mark Burch G2G6 Pilot (218k points)
+3 votes

Emanuel Agassi, the father of Andre, has died. He was an Olympian himself. His profile can be opened now.

by Jelena Eckstädt G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
+3 votes

In preparing for next week's connection finder theme (folksingers), which I am very excited for, I have just connected singer-songwriter Hedy West, best known for the song '500 Miles' (which I'm currently trying to learn on banjo), as well as her father, Don West, a notable poet, educator, & labor & civil rights activist.

by Thomas Koehnline G2G6 Pilot (102k points)
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Saw the post asking for favorite baseball players. So I set up a profile for Pete Rose and have connected him (links update tonight). While his storied career as a manager left him a bit tarnished, on the field he was the greatest baseball player to have played the game, as he broke more records than pretty much any other player in history. Unfortunately, he also broke one significant rule that put him out of baseball forever. Perhaps they'll have mercy on him when he passes and put him into the HOF, but I doubt it.

by Scott Fulkerson G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
+1 vote

I know a new thread has opened, but it's still technically September for me for another couple hours, & I just got one more in for next week's folk musicians theme:

Malvina Reynolds, the singer-songwriter & activist best known for writing the song "Little Boxes" has now been connected to our tree, albeit through one branch of her husband's tree.

by Thomas Koehnline G2G6 Pilot (102k points)
0 votes

Just created and connected Friesen-1208.

Benno Wilmer Friesen died Sept 29, 2021 in Surrey BC.

He was MP for South Surrey and White Rock for 5 terms, between 1974 and 1993.

by Kathryn Penner G2G6 Mach 6 (64.1k points)

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