Looking for margaret myers jones who married henry foster jones

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They had a son named Harry Thomas and a daughter Hazel

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To narrow down this couple  - include anything that you might know of as to

Dates or approximate dates  - of b, m, d

Location - country - province, region - city, town-

No one can tell if they are from England or Australia in 1820 or 1950!!!!

Good luck

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I know that Margaret Myers Jones and Henry Foster Jones' son is Harry Thomas Jones. I do not have any detail on the parents but know that their son, Harry, was born in Strangford, Pennsylvania in 1902.  I do not know where the parents were born but the suspicion is Wales.   Harry Thomas Jones married Audrey Louise Burkett and lived in Vandergrift, Pennsylvania until their death.

Answer 1

Interesting... in the 1910 census (Burrell, Indiana Co., PA), Foster Jones, 41, and single, is enumerated as brother-in-law of Martin Libengard (who is married to a Margaret, 43-- supposed sister of Foster Jones). Immediately after Foster Jones is Harry F or T Jones, 7, "nephew" -- implication being he was son of Foster. But no mother of Harry (or sister of Martin) is included in this household.

All born in PA of PA-born parents.

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Thank you.  I have the obituary funeral home card of when Harry Thomas died.  It states: father - Henry Foster Jones and mother - Margaret Myers Jones.  Harry Thomas Jones was my grandfather and died in1959 at 56.  I was told that he was raised by his sister.  His sister was Hazel Jones.  I also had read somewhere that there is a possibility that Margaret Foster Jones was a school teacher and died in her 30's.  It make sense that Henry Foster Jones would have listed single when he was 41 if his wife died early.  Do you have any other suggestions based on this information?  Burrell, Indiana Co., PA is a very good lead.  A new lead that I found is a scrible note that states Henry Foster Jones died in Stangford, PA 1914.

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Okay... we may be getting somewhere...

But before I do... If Foster Jones' wife died before 1910, then he should be enumerated as widowed, not single, but census takers weren't perfect. So we'll set that aside for the moment. Also note: There are also many other Jones' on the same census page in that 1910 census.

My next question is: If Hazel Jones was sister to Harry, and by implication of having raised him, OLDER than Harry, then where was she in 1910? Well, I found her, also in Burrell, Indiana Co., PA), enumerated as age 6 (mm... younger than Harry by a year), grand-daughter of Delilah Myers on Strangford Road! Delilah is widowed, age 65 [b 1845], having had 7 births, 4 of whom were alive in 1910. Delilah was born in PA of PA-born parents. So... that's likely the mother of your Margaret Myers Jones, and raising one of her dead daughter's children.

I do not find Delilah b 1845 easily in 1900. The closest is a Delila Myers, b Jul 1850 in Tyrone, Adams Co., PA, married to David B. Myers, grain merchant, with children Edith E (1879), Laura B. (1882), Grover (1883) and Elda R (1888). But what looks good about this is that Delila is listed as having had 7 children, 6 of which were living in 1900. The 7 matches the 7 births of 1910. This implies that if Margaret was her daughter that Margaret was already married by 1900.

Now... let's go look for Foster Jones in 1900. We find a likely candidate for the Foster Jones of 1910 above, in Burrell, Indiana Co., PA, born Dec 1869, married to a "Jenny" born June 1875. They've been married 2 years, and already have a child, Stella, b Apr 1899. Foster is a coal miner. "Jenny" is likely a nickname. (1910 Foster jones was also a coal miner for Strangford Sys?)

Ah... and if we look back at the 1910 census, immediately after Foster and Harry's listing is John Stuchell and wife Effie J., and living with them is "cousin" Stella Jones, age 11 (!)

But was "Jenny" the daughter of Delila and David Myers of the 1900 census? We know from the 1900 census that she was born Jun 1875. So she should be a five year old in the 1880 census. We find David and Delila Myers in 1880 in Washington, York Co., PA with 3 children: Cora (8), Jane E (5), and Eda? (1). This last girl could correspond with the Edith E, born 1869, in the 1900 census. And Jane E is the right age to be "Jenny" of the 1900 census.

SO... all this indirect evidence supports that a woman with the name "Jenny" (which might be a nickname of Jane E), dau of Delila (____) and David Myers, born June 1875, married abt 1898, Foster Jones and had at least three children-- Stella (1899), Harry (1902/3) and Hazel (1903/4). That by 1910, she died and her children were spread out among relations.

What this does imply is that Harry's mother was not a Margaret, but a Jane/Jenny. Now recall that Foster Jones had a sister named Margaret, and in 1910, Foster and Harry were living with that sister. She likely contributed to the raising of Harry.

(I looked for Foster and family in 1920 couldn't find him; Harry is 16 and boarding in Burrell, Indiana Co., PA; there's a candidate for Hazel Jones as inmate in an alms house in White, Indiana Co., PA... I don't find Stella; hopefully she's married by 1920.)

This was fun...

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AND... going back to the 1870 census, Foster Jones, age 1, is living with what appears to be a set of siblings, aged 18 to 4. No obvious parents. They're in Burrell, Indiana Co., PA. Siblings are:

James, 18

George, 16

Hugh, 14 (he's on same page as Foster in 1910 census)

Mary A., 12

Milton (?), 10

Morgan, 8

Margaret, 4 (she who married Martin Liebengard; see 1910 census)

and Foster, 1

All born PA. Give me a minute and I'll find the older children in the 1860 census.

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Gold mine:

1860 US Census: Young, Indiana Co., PA:

George Jones, 40, laborer, b PA

Mary, 38

William, 14

Samuel, 12

James, 10

George, 9

Hugh, 6

Mary A., 3

Milton C., 4 (?) months

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1850 US Census: Young, Indiana Co., PA:

There is a George and Mary Jones, more or less right age, in Young, Indiana Co., PA, but their children's names and genders don't match up with the oldest 3 above.

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Found this on Rootsweb; there are typos in this transcription:

 

Jones, Estilla M	f	w	FATHER: Foster Jones	MOTHER: MaryJones	Burrell Twp	miner	28 Apr. 1988	Burrell Twp	19 May. 1899
Jones, Harry Thomas	m	w	Foster Jones	Edith Jones	Branch P O	miner	30 Oct. 1902	Burrell Twp
Jones, Hazel	f	w	Foster	Jennie	Blairsville	laborer	30 Jun. 1903		21 Nov. 1904

Source URL:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~treasures/pa/indiana/births/indcobirthsj2.htm

Implies Foster had three different wives, and there were three different mothers, but I'm having difficulty believing that.

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Thank you for all your data. I have 3 pages of scribble notes that my father had made when he interviewed his aunt Hazel. Both people have passed away. Another query: I would like to take Henry Foster Jones back to see if any ancesters came over from Wales. I don't know what the notes mean. I believe they were made around 1992. Bill Jones -lives in possibly Kansas. Children - Ed, Earl, Hazel, Lillie Milt Jones - lives in Bolivar PA Children - Nellie, Sade Freyer, Mary St. Claire, Hanry Banks, Russell. Morgue Jones lives in Strangford Children - Vera Fishel, Elda Grunling, Minnie, Kenny, Raymond, Bob George Jones lives in Blairsville, PA Verny Holby, Nellie Dickton, Annie Muir, Hilda Brown, Aggie Forsha, Bill, George, Herman, Ralph Hugh Jones lives in Strangford -had 1 girl. Foster jones - Straingford (died 1914 at age 42 or 45) children - Stella Beirs, Mable Gray, Hazel and Harry. Note: I met Hazel and Mable several times and always thought they were great aunts of my father's not aunts. I also was under the impression that Hazel and now looking at the notes, Mable raised by grandfather Harry Thomas.

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Well, many of those names are reflected in the Jones census notes I posted (Morgue was probably Morgan). 

Of interest is another child of Foster and Jennie/Jane, namely Mabel/Mable.

And there's Mable on the same 1910 census page, living with her uncle (Foster's brother) James. This page is so rich, I'm going to post it here. 

Thirteenth Census of the United States, 1910 (NARA microfilm publication T624, 1,178 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C. Census Place:  Burrell,  Indiana, Pennsylvania; Roll:  T624_1350; Page: 2A; Enumeration District:  0062; Image:  ; FHL microfilm:  1375363.

Mmm... I can't upload a photo here. Okay, I uploaded it to my own web site. Ooops. Let me try that again. Should now be clickable so you can see the full thing if you click on it.

 

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Let's go back to the Wales origin story. Looking through your notes, what is it that supports that story?

From all the census records I've found so far for you, I've seen no reference to anything other than Pennsylvania for both Jones and Myers.

Could be that one of the women who married into either Jones or Myers lines was of Welsh origin.

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And... I'd like to see all this work reflected in an appropriate set of profile pages here on WikiTree. Have you started a set of pages for this family yet? I couldn't easily find Foster or Henry Thomas.

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I figured out what your notes refer to. He's listing the siblings of Foster Jones:

1. Bill Jones -lives in possibly Kansas. Children - Ed, Earl, Hazel, Lillie 

This is likely the William Jones b abt 1846, s/o George and Mary 

2. Milt Jones - lives in Bolivar PA Children - Nellie, Sade Freyer, Mary St. Claire, Hanry Banks, Russell.

This is likely Milton C. Jones, b abt 1860, s/o George and Mary

3. Morgue Jones lives in Strangford Children - Vera Fishel, Elda Grunling, Minnie, Kenny, Raymond, Bob

This is likely Morgan Jones, b abt 1862, s/o George and Mary

4. George Jones lives in Blairsville, PA Verny Holby, Nellie Dickton, Annie Muir, Hilda Brown, Aggie Forsha, Bill, George, Herman, Ralph

This is likely George Jones b abt 1851, s/o George and Mary; but I'm concerned that he's out of chronological order with the others. We can probably determine this by examination of the census records. 

5. Hugh Jones lives in Strangford -had 1 girl.

This is likely Hugh Jones, b abt 1854.

6. Foster jones - Straingford (died 1914 at age 42 or 45) children - Stella Beirs, Mable Gray, Hazel and Harry.

 

Missing from this list are:

Samuel, b abt 1848

James, b abt 1850 and with whom Mable is living in 1910

Mary A., b abt 1857

Margaret, b abt 1866 and with whom Foster and Henry T are living in 1910

 

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CORRECTION:

I'd stated above that it looked like George and Mary A. (____) Jones died before 1870 because it looked like their children were living without parents. On Ancestry.com, the image before the page of the children has completely different people on it. But that was bugging me, so I searched for George Jones in Burrell. Ancestry.com images are just out of order. He and Mary are still alive, at the bottom of the page, and with son Samuel.

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Thank you again for all your research and support.  I have primarily used Ancestry.com and started a tree using their site. The tree is under Childs Tree.  Since I was looking for exact names, I did not have much luck.  A colleague suggested I try Google to conduct random searches for my paternal great grandparents.  That is how I found Wikitree.com.

Regarding Wales, I have nothing in writing.  My father was led to believe as a child growing up that his ancestors were from Wales.  My father was an only child. He joined the Navy for the war and then married so the time he spent in PA as an older adult was limited yearly.  He and the majority of his close relatives have passed away.  I only met Hazel and Mabel when we visited but I was young.  I con't recall having met anyone else from that side of the family and were led to believe that they were my grandfather's aunts.  That must have been my misunderstanding.

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I early learned that family legends often don't pan out, but there's often some amount of truth in them. My gr-gr-grandparents were always believed to have married on the ship over from Germany. But when I started researching, we found their marriage record in Buffalo, NY, shortly after their arrival. The piece of truth buried in this family legend is that they DID travel on the same ship together, but under their own names, as proven by a ships passenger list I later found.

Because I spent so much time on this, I've compiled what I found into a GEDCOM which I will upload to wikitree. I'll link you to it as soon as it's up.

-- Jillaine

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Here's a copy of what I researched. I opened up the profiles so you can edit (if you join here):

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Jones-14991

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Where did you find the following 1920 information?  I have tried to locate it unsuccessfuly.  You mentioned posting a page to your person website.  How do I access it?  I found the site but not the page. - Thank you.

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Note N4

1910: living with her maternal grandmother, Delila Myers (widowed) in Burrell, Indiana Co. PA

1920: living in almshouse in White, Indiana, PA

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Hi Audrey. I found it searching the 1920 census records on Ancestry.com. Hold on, let me go grab the image and post it to my web site (since I can't add it here directly). 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jillaine/images/1920UnitedStatesFederalCensus_HazelJonesWhiteIndianaPA.jpg

Click on the image to be taken to the full size version.

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I've been working on my family tree and I am looking for information on Morgan C. Jones who is my Great Grandfather.  I can add more after him but not info. about his siblings or his parents that I'm needing info. on.  I do know that Morgan C. Jones married Carrie (Mikesell) Jones in Burrell Township, Blairsville, PA.  They had 3 daughters and 2 sons.  Vera Fishel, Minnie Jones, Elda Grumbling, Raymond Jones and Robert M. Jones ( Robert M. Jones is my grandfather)  Robert M. Jones was married  in Blairsville, PA. to Mary Catherine Smith ( b. May 3, 1893, d. Aug. 1963 )   and had 3 sons, Robert M. Jones, Clarence Jones, and Richard T. Jones (my dad)  I have more information if needed,  Clarence and Richard were born in Coral, PA and Robert was born in Blairsville.  If you can give me Information about Morgan C. Jones, like his parents and other info. that you have, I would really appreiate it.  My name is Cathy Jones - Neumann