How Confirm Nicholas Knapp 1592 m. Eleanor Lockwood daughter of Edmond 1574, she is the closest common ances

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Distant relationships ) https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hulse-10 : Looks like I will have to wait and see if there are closer matches, strange most to Philippa (Hulse) Brereton (abt.1416-1463) but the question is how do I put these ancestry results in a chromosome browser ? to triangulate them? Look at the long trails to the closses common Ancester between these Dna matches of mine on the other hand if we plug in Eleanor as daughter of Edmond Lockwood b. 1574 it confirms the Lockwood conections given the DNA is right, can this cercomstantial evidence be enough to make the call? '''Case for Eleanor Lockwood  https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-K_nDAkt0iKfDnQeqViKJdfg26o2D9zH?usp=sharing'''

In the Bigger Picture this is what i finnally want to Confirm Relationship between Edward IV Plantagenet King of England & Kevin Charles Lajiness. Does anyone have a problem with the Geneology ? Here are three more charts to Sir, Lord William Robert of Creswell maried a Grandaughter of Edward IV Plantagenet he would be the great great grandfather to Eleanor Lockwood if these were confimed

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I am confused Edmond born 1574 has a daughter who was married in 1592???

Edmond supposedly was 20 years old when he had a daughter so that would be 1594 when his daughter was born not married.  Can you clear this up for me please.

Would any of this fit? https://gw.geneanet.org/comrade28?lang=en&n=knapp&oc=0&p=nicholas

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My inline charts Don't have marriage dates and they show Elaenor being born 1610 and her son Caleb 1637, besides my point is not to be caught up in the weeds, with her pluged in as daughter of Edmond all these charts from the link, well most of them, shortens the distance consideably  to the nearest common Ancester Edmond,nothing confusing about them they suport that there is a genetic tie between them

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Good luck

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Hi Kevin,

I'd suggest adding the DNA tag to your post so that folks who follow that tag and may be able to help may see this post.

As others have already mentioned, I can't imagine that autosomal DNA tests of 21st century individuals would be of any use for trying to prove relationships between individuals that lived in the 1400s and 1500s.

Answer 1

If you're not in the direct male (Y-DNA) or female (mtDNA) line of descent, it is exceptionally unlikely that you inherited any detectable DNA at all from an ancestor as far back as the fifteenth century. Someone born around AD 1400 is approximately 18-20 generations back, for me; the number of potential unique ancestors one has 20 generations back is over one million (as a point of reference, the population of England in the year 1400 has been estimated at around two million). A small distant match could come from a common ancestor neither of you is likely to know about. The practical limit of using triangulation to verify descent from specific shared ancestors is around 8-10 generations, or so.

Answer 2

Regarding 'putting Ancestry results in a chromosome browser', it's not easy.  The only way I've been able to do it is

1) to put my DNA on other sites that do browsing

2) Ask the Ancestry match if they are on other sites, or search for their name or email on other sites... Users often use different names on other sites though...  Or if that fails,

2b)  Check your list of shared matches that are single-segment with that user on Ancestry for others that might have their DNA elsewhere.

I ended up building a spreadsheet of my top 5000 DNA matches (10 cM and above mostly) from gedmatch, 23andMe, FTDNA and now MyHeritage.  If I find an Ancestry match that is on my list, I add a link to their page or tree.  

BTW, I am descended from NKG and Eleanor ??, but I did not find any of your Ancestry matches listed among my matches.  I did find an 11 cM match with a Jackie Wagoner who shares her surname with one on your list... Long shot.

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very Good Advice Donald Smith, Maybe behind the scenes they are trying to straiten this out,I'm sure they are, if they would fill in these black holes i'm sure it would strengthen there data

Answer 3

Nicholas Knapp is my 10th gr-grandfather.   Theoretically, I should have 1 / 2^12 genetics from Nicholas Knapp.    And to hit Lockwood IF Eleanor's maiden name is Lockwood, would be  1 / 2^13.      I don't have all my branches mapped out that far back so I don't know if I have Lockwood on any other branch.   (And my tree is better and more accurate than 95% of the people who have done DNA.)

The DNA companies say autosomal DNA is good back to 8 generations.   I don't know if Chromosome Browsers or Segment Painters will get you really any further back.   (You don't score better than a 7 or 8 cM for a reason.)  

I would recommend trying to triangulate with closer relatives to see how it works.   What I have seen per DNA matches, people are doing DNA for either ethnicities or to find cousins - not enough to have good trees or want to work their tails off on Browsers.

You can also do triangulating using ancestry.com ThruLines and Shared Matches.  I have.   BUT not enough people with good trees to figure things out.     (I have looked for Lockwood in people's trees who are grouped in my Knapp Group and they seem to be Nicholas Knapp descendants who have to fill in a blank of Lockwood for Nicholas' wife.)