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WikiTree profile: Pip Sheppard
closed with the note: See y’all next week!
in The Tree House by Pip Sheppard G2G Astronaut (2.5m points)
closed by Pip Sheppard
Hugs Pip! It was wonderful to meet you and Mike. Didn't realize you'd be down in "my neck of the woods" when you visited Tombstone and Bisbee! Definitely a wonderful day, one to be cherished!
@ Carol. The Unknown and Green merge hasn't been completed. That's the last one I suggested. Sorry about the other ones. It hasn't been confirmed by M Cole, yet. The ball's in M Cole's court. So many Greens, right? It is what it is. Glad you aren't confused now!

laugh Y'all having too much fun, Pip. Y'all might be seriously tempted to move wife and home to Arizona if this 'Let the Good Times Roll" continues 

Pip, Have thought of visiting BioSphere 2, in the Arizona mountains, north east of Tucson. It might be called something else now.

I loved it, but I am a plant and ecology nerd!
Good idea M Ross....that's a pretty "wild" place... not sure I could have done that experiment.

@M Ross

It is still called Biosphere 2: https://biosphere2.org/

About 25 years ago an Environmental Health Summit was held at Biosphere 2 (the only time I was there) with some 30 scientists from across the country. It was sponsored by the Environmental Health Foundation, NIEHS, ATSDR and the U of Arizona. The intent was to address environmental health priorities at the time. Five groups focused on children, respiratory, immune, nervous system and reproductive health. I recorded the main outcomes. The article is 25 years old, but some of the information is still topical and relevant. If anyone wants a copy, let me know and I'll send it along. It was an interesting place to tour, but the emphasis was on the summit. I would recommend it on his 2nd trip, given the full plate Pip and his brother had in this short time frame.

Cindy Cooper and I met for brunch at Tohono Chul Botanical Gardens, and that would have been another (closer) place to visit. Perfect day for it today as well. https://tohonochul.org/
Sounds like you're having a great time. I've been out that way on business near the Scotsdale area, but never really had much time for anything other than work. Sure would be nice to get around and do some sightseeing. Maybe one day.
Sounds like a great time. I love air and space museums. I also wouldn't mind just hanging out in Arizona.
So glad y'all are having a good time in Tucson, Pip & Co.! My husband's hometown...great place. Will you have time to check out the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum? Fabulous natural history...
D, I missed that one this time around, but my brother said it's on the list for next time in spring.

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Good morning Pip and the weekend chatters!


  • going on two weeks now with little rain (had a brief sprinkle yesterday morning)


  • I'm happy to report that Rob Pavey has a beta version of the Sourcer extension available for macOS Safari.  I have tried it and its works building sources and tables.
by Tommy Buch G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
Good morning to you, too, Tommy. No rain here in Tucson. It's all sunny skies!

 laugh Starting to sound a bit dry where you are, Tommy. Of course, that may change come Nov etc 

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Today is.......



National Shawarma Day on October 15th celebrates the Middle Eastern rotisserie method of cooking meats such as lamb, chicken, and beef and the dishes it makes. Not only does shawarma bring mouth-watering flavour, but it also can be enjoyed in a variety of ways.

Bursting with a marinade of Mediterranean herbs and spices, shawarma chicken slowly cooks on a vertical rotisserie spit. The tender meat is then thinly sliced, grilled and added to a pita wrap with a variety of toppings. Customize this flavourful dish with fresh vegetables, cheese and a variety of herbs. Special sauces enhance the enjoyment of this delectable dish as well, such as the customer favourite Osmow’s™ garlic sauce. No matter how you like your shawarma, the combinations are endless.

HOW TO OBSERVE National Shawarma Day:

Experience a flavour-filled shawarma! Order lamb, beef, chicken, or even Beyond Meat® to celebrate. Share the shawarma experience by inviting a friend to join you. Any foodie will want in on the celebration. 

Not in the mood for a wrap? Shawarma also tastes great on a salad, rice or fries. Anything exploding with this much flavour deserves a celebration!  While you’re savouring every bite, be sure to share your favourite shawarma with us!! 

by Dorothy Barry G2G Astronaut (2.6m points)
Never had it. but from the photos it looks like something I could really get into! Thanks, Dorothy!!
Popularized by one T. Stark at the end of Avengers.

I like shawarma. We get them from a place nearby and they're so good!

Never in my wildest dreams would I ever imagine that there would be an officil shawarma day! yes smiley

Hi Dorothy, Schwarma looks appetizing, but if spicy, not my cup of tea! A colleague and I ate at an Indian restaurant in Singapore and I almost had to send my tongue to a burn unit!

laughyes Sounds like my kind of meal. 

Love Schwarma! We've got a little authentic Middle Eastern restaurant in Broad Ripple here in Indy called Sahara. The wonderful owner has begun to recognize us when we go by, and he always greets us with a tray of hot tea, poured from a Turkish style teapot into Turkish style glasses. It's a wonderful way to start off a meal, and the tea is hot and is Ceylon style with a touch of rose water. I've had their Schwarma, but prefer their Gyros, although both are very good. The best part is the dessert, which is a Semolina cake with a simple syrup. I don't know if it's that finishing touch of the syrup or the coconut baked inside, but it's a nearly perfect meal.
I love schwarma.
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Pip, your trip sounds amazing! I'm so happy for you for having such a good time!

The day here started with raining cats and dogs, and now it's a sunny October afternoon.

Have a good continued trip, and a safe journey home! Looking forward to photos later.
by Maria Lundholm G2G6 Pilot (183k points)
Glad you've got some sunshine, Maria. You weather sounds like our, pouring one day, sunshine the next. Photos are posted!
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Another weekend.  Yeah!!!!!  We are headed to towns north of Boston this week to have fun and tour around and visit cousins.

We saw a few snowflakes yesterday. The mountains are getting slammed and the ski resorts are operating full tilt towards their openings now. This next week here looks dry but still snowy in the mountains. Boston looks a little wet so I guess we are packing rain gear too.

On the genealogy front, I am making slow progress on the cemetery study as a work through a couple of the more difficult profiles to get them connected. There are a lot of Swedish descendants buried here and working through the change in surname conventions can be confusing especially when using local historical newspapers to track stories and their migration westward from the first generation arrivals.
by Gurney Thompson G2G6 Pilot (327k points)
I wondered if you'd see that snow, Gurney. I'm a little jealous. Though living in the mountains, we really don't get near as much snow as you folks. Have a thoroughly enjoyable trip to Boston!
I just can't imagine snow, it seems like a world away.  Hope you're enjoying the change of weather.
What is the usual rainy season where you are Gurney? Or, rather, what was it up to 2020 when the climate really went into a tizzy spin... ?

We used to have up thru the winter of 2018/19 a rainy season we could count on (Central California)
My wife would be incredibly jealous of you! She's a cold weather fan, and this final heat wave of the season is driving her crazy. We're like Mutt and Jeff about that. She can't stand it above 65 degrees Fahrenheit. I don't like it below 70 degrees. I guess that's the way it goes...
We are in Massachusetts now. So to answer the questions.  We just had flakes falling but no accumulation yesterday. But the peaks are covered so it is a beautiful view right now if the weather clears.

A rainy season?  Typically we think of that as the spring monsoon season when we get thunderstorms every day. That is late spring when the jet spring is moving south of us and carrying moisture up from the south. Right now a storm is accompanied by a strong east wind into the mountains and that is our snowstorm. Wind going uphill cools and sends our temps plummeting.

Denver weather is sort of a Mutt and Jeff kind of thing. It often snows in the morning during winter. Several inches and can be 70 in the afternoon because the low passes and changes the wind direction to the west which heats the air. We often say that if you don’t like the weather, wait an hour.
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Photos of my trip to Tucson! No food pics, though. Both me and my brother bombed my younger brother with photos of our food to torture him for not coming out here with me. Captions are above the photos below.

This is a pic of what much of my brother's yard looks like. Lots of saguaro cacti here, LOTS! I never knew there was so much and such a variety of cacti.

This next one is of the PBY at the Pima Air Museum. You can see the forward gunner's position in the nose where my dad would have been.

A pic of me with the PBY behind me.

Inside the command center at the Titan Museum. Beneath this photo is one of the Titan missile. It remains covered with glass so that the Russians can peak in via satellite to make sure it's not armed.

Next is the altar piece at the San Xavier Mission. We were not allowed to go any closer than this.

This door is original to the mission. I was made in the late 1700s from pine taken off of Mt. Lemmon.

Here is a stagecoach from the Tombstone tourist trap.

Can anyone identify the year of the Caddie I saw in Bisbee?

This is my very cool brother, Mike, at the now closed Bisbee Copper Mine. The chain link fence is to keep dummies from trying to get better photos and also to keep them from throwing trash into the mine.

Last for best! Four WikiTreers: Cindy Cooper, me (wearing my "serial kilter" tee shirt), Diane Hildebrand, and Carol Baldwin. You can see the mission façade behind us.

by Pip Sheppard G2G Astronaut (2.5m points)
Well, Pip...you will just have to return to Tucson along with you wife and we will return to San Xavier. We will not only see the full church, hopefully the scaffolding will be removed. Plus, I'm sure there are more books waiting to be bought and we can share frybread again. I'm definitely going to that Celtic Festival and Scottish Highland Games in November! Can you loam be a kilt?
Pip and Mike making brother envious of the good food they get in Arizona ;). Nice pics, great to see some of you folks
"Serial Kilter"? ?? ? Hahahahhahahahahah
Yep, a new tee shirt being sold by my kiltmaker, Susan!
Great photos! Great t-shirt!
How did I miss that last photo!  How wonderful to have a mini-WT meetup!  How lucky you are Pip to meet some of our best Wikitreers!
Pip they have old copper mines near us in Wales.


Glad you are having a great visit with your brother.

Pip, from the fins on that caddie in Bisbee, I would guess it to be a '57. Shame you didn't have time to visit Tubac this trip. I think you would have enjoyed it more than Bisbee. Too bad you didn't stop by the Fairbank ghost town outside of Tombstone. They have a small museum there with a LOT OF BOOKS!

Great pictures!
Pip, Diane, my Sig O says that you look like a twin of one of my brother's. Go figure. She is right you do look a lot like the younger brother that lives near me. I hope you had a good visit out there.
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You sound very busy Pip, what else do we expect from you.
So glad you are enjoying your trip and the wikitree reunion.
We all look forward to your photos.  Don't keep us in suspense, did you wear your kilt on the plane?  My bet is on NO.
by Beulah Cramer G2G6 Pilot (401k points)
Hahaha! You were right, Beulah. I didn't wear a kilt on the plane. Long trips sitting mess up the pleats. Actually, I didn't bring one, though I thought about it and should have.
Hi Beulah, I think of you every Sunday while humming 'New York, New York' a la Frank. Hope you are doing well.

The Pipster didn't bring ONE kilt with him! Drat! We clearly recognized him, though, by height AND 'Serial Kilter' t-shirt!
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Hola and buenas dias from Everett, Washington. A short post for now. I suspect it's router issues that have thrown my online presence out of whack and it's also affected accessing my favorite apps on my phone. I plan to take the adult children to the Xfinity store today to talk about this. Husband suspects our router is aging.

I have an article due today for the Mukilteo Monthly about "The Founding Mothers of Mukilteo," namely the native wives and mothers. I will say a bit more after breakfast.
by Margaret Summitt G2G6 Pilot (234k points)
I have had frustrating router problems before, too, Margaret. Hope you get that worked out soon! I'd love to read that article due today. Sounds absolutely fascinating!!
Hello cousin.  Last month my operating system crashed, so bad that I couldn't restart the computer.  I was able to get into my hard drive and retrieve most of my files.  I updated to a later version of my OS and wow, what a difference, it is like a new computer.  So I hope that if you do have to change your router, you'll get results as good as ours where.
Hi Margaret, I like your Spanish intro today! And very appropriate for the Pipster's visit to the Old Pueblo.

I've had router problems and last month I got rid of my cable company, which used DLS (a telephone line) and went with a new cable company that provides a stronger signal for wifi. I don't miss television shows, really, and I especially need consistent wifi for all my research work and zoom meetings. So far, so good!
We also have xfinity and it went whacky poo yesterday and continues .. done a FUBAR or SNAFU and it is a mystery

Strange messages on the Kindle yesterday and today it do not load at all - have to read my hardcopy paperbacks now -- no Kindle now
Carol - I think you meant DSL, but no matter. Us "techie" types are probably the only ones who noticed.

But DSL is definitely pre-modern technology, although it does still work. I'm presuming you went with a cabled option, with a wifi router inside the house.

We tried the satellite internet for awhile, and got frustrated with the weather that seemed to make it go out at the worst possible times, but I'm finding that the cabled option is similar with all the maintenance outages that drop it in the middle of the day. Guess there's no perfect solution unless I buy my own service and make me a customer of one.

laugh UPDATE on KINDLE - 9 AM Local CA Time - cutting off the power and letting the battery expire did apparently "cure" the FUBAR / SNAFU on the Kindle ... it is now in working order ...  well, so far.  Knock on wood. 

I have this desktop back to reasonably confident status. The connection of the computers belonging to the adult children upstairs is still down. So son played games the old way, i.e. with DVDs.

It rained considerably this morning.  

I have been causing trouble all over the place, proposing merges, pointing out some of the date and geography discrepancies on profiles, generally making myself a headache for profile managers (that is, if they're still around). So far, no one has yelled at me.

Thanks be to God for all of you.

crying Yeah, some PM do get excited when they are subjected to collaboration.  eek.

If they scream, just go back and reverse it ... there's a button in there somewhere to get it back to what it was ...  

Hi Scott, yes, I meant DSL...thanks!
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Hi all, hope everyone is having a great start to their weekend.  Been a very busy week for us, lots of new business (seems folks are getting past their covid fears finally).  I wish I had more time for personal genealogy but project work has been taking all my time.

Our weather is perfect - its my wife's favorite month.  Still warm and sunny but not too hot and the views are crisp due to the low humidity.

Best wishes to all, I'm looking forward to reading some of the other replies.
by SJ Baty G2G Astronaut (1.1m points)
SJ, I am finding less and less time for personal genealogy, too. A little frustrating, and it looks like it's going to be that way for a while.

Hi SJ, I think business picking up is actually a good thing. How is your wife's business coming along? And how are the children. October is a wonderful month and it's my favorite holiday...Halloween, which originated with the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain, when people would light bonfires and wear costumes to ward off ghosts. When I lived in Tempe, AZ, we had a Pascua Yaqui cemetery right down the street from my home (how apropos for a hospice nurse). On November 2, the Yaqui congregated at the cemetery for dia de los muertos. One could hear mass in Yaqui and Spanish, followed by traditional guitar and drumming music while families cared for the graves of their loved ones. There was one unattended grave of a little girl who died in 1899 at age two. With Yaqui permission, I would tend her grave and place a Santos candle. Those were wonderful memories and I thought of those days when we were at the San Xavier Mission with Pip, Diane, Cindy and Mike.

Very interesting Carol.  When I traveled through South and Central America I saw all kinds of festivals like this.  I always thought it was interesting (and a bit clever) how the Catholic Church adopted the local religions and traditions into the faith and that after two or three generations the grandparents who worshiped Mother Earth, their grandkids were later praying to Mother Mary. ;-)

The Wife's business seems to be rolling along.  I'm looking at her online shop and it seems she's already made 5 sales.  I don't want to cross the G2G rules and run an advert but you can search our her out at Etsy with the shop name AnnaBatyBordado.  I haven't been paying too much attention as I've been fully immersed in house chores and our little business.

The kids are great.  The two eldest are in school and the baby stays home with us.  Last night the dishwasher failed so this morning I lined them all up like a little conveyor belt and the three of them washed away by hand.  Soap and water everywhere - I'll email you a pic ;-)

But everyone is happy and healthy, hope you all are the same!
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¡Buenos días a todos from the Old Pueblo! It is 8am in Tucson and a very chilly 56F (13.3C) with an expected high of 85F (29.4C). This is classic October weather here with chilly temps at night and ‘hottish’ days.


Well, the great news is that four Wikitreers and a brother got together to rule the Sonoran desert for a few hours on Thursday. Pip has been visiting his brother, Mike here in Tucson. Yesterday, five of us met at the San Xavier del Bac Mission on the Tohono O’Odham reservation. The mission is a national historic landmark. It was founded by Father Eusebio Kino in 1692. Construction began in 1783 and was completed in 1797 (see https://www.sanxaviermission.org/). I have been coming to the mission since I started graduate school in 1984. The people are wonderful and the grounds very peaceful.


Diane Hildebrandt drove up from Huachuca City (near Sierra Vista, about an hour’s drive). Cindy Cooper joined us a little later in the morning. Pip and Mike arrived about 9am. We wandered around the mission grounds, went into the church and mausoleum and spent some time at the bookstore and craft shop. Since Pip and I spent some money at the Tohono craft shop, we each got a little receipt for free fry bread. Pip, Diane, Cindy and I sat in the little restaurant and Pip and I shared our fry bread between the four of us. It is a little like a beignet that one would get at the Café du Monde in New Orleans, except it is round and the size of a small pizza. It is covered with honey and powdered sugar and delicious. The Tohono make them outdoors as well on the mission grounds and they can be eaten like a fry bread taco with frijoles, chopped tomatoes, onions and salsa. I usually have mine in the traditional manner, honey and powdered sugar.


The pastor, Fr. Bill, in his Franciscan robes, rope belt and jean jacket was greeting people at the church door and answering questions. Much of the inside was roped off due to Covid; however, what we were able to see dates back over 200 years and is really beautiful. The wooden doors are original as is much of the interior of the church. He is wishing more people would get vaccinated and actually has a very good and original idea. He said that for people who do not want to get vaccinated here in the United States, they should sign a waiver and list which developing country they would like their vaccine to go to! I really think that is a splendid idea. I wonder how many people would sign off on their Covid vaccine and donate it to Africa, or India or some other developing country. Maybe they would even think twice and decide to get the vaccine for themselves.


My grandson, who had emergency surgery for a bowel obstruction last Thursday was released from hospital on Sunday. He will be returning to the Georgia Academy for the Blind next week. Meanwhile, my son-in-law, Curtis, will have open-heart surgery on the 20th. I get to pull my pants down this next Thursday and have an injection of prednisone in my right butt for the torn hamstring that has been causing me so much pain. I cannot take ibuprofen, etc. for the pain because I am on an anti-stroke drug and I don’t do well with narcotic analgesics. I’m hoping this injection will last for about 6 months. The doctor warned me that I will have quite a bruise on my right butt cheek because of the anti-stroke med, but I told him that bruise would just match the one on my left butt cheek. Plus, only he and I (and his helper) will know.


I also mentioned that a nurse colleague of mine died from complications of West Nile virus a week ago this past Monday. Her obit was published in the Arizona Republic and it was a truly wonderful tribute. Yesterday, following our Wikitree family gathering at the mission, I returned home in time for an editors meeting via zoom for the Journal of Clinical Sleep Medicine. A pulmonary and critical care doc colleague and I were chatting privately and I told him about my nurse friend’s death from West Nile. He told me that he has three patients in the ICU with West Nile! So, again, for those of you in states where you have had higher than average rainfall (as we have in southern Arizona), please avoid evenings when mosquitoes are out, and do not allow standing water around your homes. We do not need any more deaths or health issues due to yet another virus.


I am finishing up my chat for today because Cindy Cooper and I are meeting at Tohono Chul for tea at 11am, then a walk around the gardens and looking at their exhibits. We are hoping Pip and Mike can join us; however, we are not sure what the guys have planned given that Pip returns home on Saturday. Even if it was for just a few hours yesterday, the memories we have of our get-together will last a lifetime. It was just so great to be face-to-face and get real hugs from everyone. That is really what life is all about! Have a great weekend. Stay safe!

by Carol Baldwin G2G6 Pilot (755k points)
edited by Carol Baldwin

It was a get-together to remember! After years of only "seeing" WikiTreers through the eyes of the site, to get to meet face-to-face was just wonderful. heart

We'll be headed up to Mt. Lemmon in a little bit, so I'll miss h hooking up with you and Cindy. sad

If I get to come out in the spring with my wife, I'll be sure to let y'all know!

It sounds like a great time was had by all.
It sure was, Mark!

How wonderful to get to meet Pip, Cindy, & Diane!  What a hoot!!!!

sorry to hear about your friend who died from West Nile Virus, wow, talk about an obscure way to go. frown

It was so awesome to exchange real {{{Carol}}} hugs with you coz! Thank you for inviting me to come along on this adventure, which I truly enjoyed. The weather was perfect, and the companionship spectacular!
So glad y'all had a nice visit! And I love Fr. Bill's idea...though I doubt the stubborn holdouts around here are capable of such magnanimity. At least, they'd say, "nah, that would never work." :(

@Cousin Diane

@D Armistead

It was really great to get together with everyone. 'Hoot' is correct. And Diane, it was so great to get real {{{Diane Pip Cindy Mike}}} hugs. What a joy! D, I really like Fr Bill's idea as well, but agree that stubborn holdouts would likely think 'I don't want it and no one else can have it.' It is a really great idea, though, and I'm going to chat with a savvy neighbor to see how this might be implemented!
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Well, I guess I can crawl out of my fugue and write a few comments this time.

I did a few sources 2 weeks ago for the Sourcerthingathon. That kinda helped me get back in the groove. Been doing a few now and then, hopefully I'll get enough to get one of Debi's blue Owls this month.

I joined the Duke/Dukes family DNA study project thingy a few months ago. I'm on the October team to do some triangulation. I hope I can learn to do that.

We've gotten a little rain now and then this month here in north-central Oklahoma. Not nearly as much where I'm at compared to other parts of the state. Had something like 12 tornadoes across the state Wednesday night!

Not much else... maintenance came and repaired my kitchen lights Monday then I got busy and cleaned the kitchen. Anyway.

And on we go...
by Luther Brown G2G6 Pilot (348k points)
edited by Luther Brown
Thanks so much for checking in, Luther. Been missing you around here. Head up! We care about you!!

BTW: Whatcha cooking today?
Chicken stew from scratch with all the goodies in it. 3 hours this evening in the slow cooker, rest overnight, then 8 hours tomorrow for supper. With cornbread, of course.
With cornbread, of course! Sounds great, Luther!

laugh Cooking up a storm in the kitchen, keeping company with a dozen tornadoes in one night  ... does not sound a bit dull or bland where you are 

Wow, Luther, tornadoes! And I was complaining about it just cooling off too much to clean my shop...

Your dinner sounds fabulous!
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Hey, Wikitree folks Pip, and everyone,  as promised pictures….. see you are doing some touring of the Tucson area, spent a couple winters there in our fifth wheel camper.  In case you didn’t see enough of the Southwest here is some more inspiration for travel.

So, Back from our over month long trip in the motorhome to some bucket list places, for me,  in the Southwest USA.  We had a really great trip, tried to stay in the mountain towns the longest, as it was hot in some places. Cottonwood Arizona was about 10 degrees warmer than was supposed to be and our AC tried us with thermostat trouble, but husband fixed it with only 2 days at 84 inside first.

 Our first stop was Carlsbad to see Carlsbad Caverns, of course.  We walked down from the Natural Entrance, which a mile and a half isn’t bad.  But hubby was complaining by the time we got down to the Big Room which is a couple more miles around .  Thank goodness an elevator goes back up !  It was worth it after your feet were back up!

On to Ruidoso, New Mexico area, which we stayed up in Capitan Mountains where it was often only 70 something in the days.  Took a day trip to Roswell, New Mexico UFO museum.  Was hoping they had some pieces of the actual crash, but it was less than we can see on any TV special any day, we thought. But the trip down and back up in altitude helped me fully adjust to the 7,000 feet we were camped at the base of the mountain

If you have never seen White Sands National Park, put it on your list, INCREDIBLE!  No it’s sand not snow :)

I could only get a reservation for 4 days at a camp in the Santa Fe Area, I shopped and had wine while my husband took naps and played guitar back at camp. (poor hubby look at his ugly view from camp above).   We were both happy!  Then he would come fetch me for some wonderful southwest fare at dinner.  It was a perfect 84 and sun every day. (Above, one of the wineries and the oldest house, still standing, in the USA from 1646, of course was part of Mexico then).  Also took a day trip to Taos and while the town itself was just okay, the drive up there and to the Rio Grande River Gorge and Canyon was really pretty (so many more pics to get in so skipping that one).

Cliff Dwellings called Montezuma’s Castle near where we camped around Cottonwood Arizona.  The  Sinagua people who lived there, used ladders to get up there and there were over 40 villages there in the same canyon back at the time.  No one knows what happened to the tribe that left suddenly in the 1400’s.

Visited a couple times to nearby old “haunted” mining town Jerome, Arizona.  Didn’t find spirits this time, but learned of colorful past characters fit for a great Western movie.  Like the madam who betrothed to 8 men. They got in a gunfight over her and everyone ended up shot, including her, no deaths.  Just wondering if she still married one of them ?  The town also had many fires and is slipping down the slide of the 5000 ft. mountain at an inch a year, it’s built on a fault line.  The old jail slid down 225 ft., with the prisoners inside!  The museum has a seismic meter in the basement you can view a screen upstairs live.  Yikes! There was a nice spike, so that concludes our visit today, plus they were closing. 

  We made day trips to Flagstaff which was a beautiful canyon drive up highway 89. Definitely put it on your list !  If I post pictures of everything, would eat the whole chat, trust me it’s beautiful but hard to capture in a picture too.

A couple day trips to nearby Sedona where I had my first helicopter ride…. Here’s just one of many beautiful red rock formation views from above.  I really liked the ride, would go again today.   A bit pricey though :(   

Was supposed to go on to Utah but it was very hot there for the time of year almost 17 degrees above the normal for the time of year.  So cancelled 2 reservations there, and we decided to head back toward the Midwest and was thinking how about Colorado Springs.  Got a reservation close to Pike’s Peak (another thing on my list).  Above a view from midway up.

Day trip to Cripple Creek Colorado gave us some wonderful views of the Aspen trees starting to show color.

Hiked all around The Valley ( strike that) Garden of the Gods.  These red rocks and various other colors just stick up out of the forest scape!   The one above is called Balanced Rock.  Back in the day a guy owned it and charged for pictures taken with it, now it is free.  But show up early for parking near the main Valley Trail. Don’t miss it, Wow!

Hope you all enjoyed the Southwest and Colorado USA pictures !   DEFINITELY worth an in person trip if you can.  And to Tucson while you are down there !  Enjoy your brother too, Pip !

Genealogy: Managed to get in 92 sources during the Thon, as we had just returned.  Found 4 merges sitting ready in my list the Sunday after, and so did those.  One would have worked for a Thon point, oh well done now, and initiated a few more merges.

Regards to you all and have a healthy, happy weekend….. Trish, adopted born Loretta Morrison.

by Loretta Morrison G2G6 Pilot (159k points)
edited by Loretta Morrison

Lovely photos, Cousin! Thanks for posting them here. Really nice shots of your trip. You're giving me the travel bug! laugh

Yes, it was hard to pick which few shots to post, so like you left off the food.   Here are links to a few highlights: Coyote Cafe & Cantina, Santa Fe,  Santarepa Cafe: Santa Fe great latin food.

Colt 804, Cottonwood AZ, real smoked pit BBQ even at breakfast  Cowboy Club, Sedona, AZ  tried the rattlesnake sausage and fried yuca, it was pretty good.

Loretta, great minds must think alike, we really enjoyed the Garden of the Gods.

Yes they are a must M !   Well, cousin Pipster asked and I can't refuse a request from such a hard working Wikitreer laugh

Valley of the Gods is a 'must see.' I was in Sedona at the end of my graduate studies during the 'Harmonic Convergence' on August 16-17 1987 with all the other Hippies. It was a 'happening' in beautiful Sedona. A year later, I moved to scenic Montana. Two years later, I moved to scenic, South Korea, then Okinawa. I've been lucky in life with all these scenic places.
Carol, plenty of Hippie vibe still happenin' in Sedona.

Great photos!

Small correction though: It's called Garden of the Gods. I used to live in Woodland Park and Divide, Colorado, west of Colorado Springs up in the mountains. I would visit Garden of the Gods and still get there occasionally as I drive down there from the Denver metro area on occasion. Truly a stunning place!

Oh, yes correct Eric, thank you ! What a lovely area and I heard from the local folks not a whole lot of heavy snow which surprised me.
I'm curious if you can get a closer look at those cliff dwellings or if they're off limits as they're some sort of ancient indian tribal area, or something along those lines. Even if they're allowed, I can't imagine they're easy to get to, unless someone installed an elevator. They do look rather interesting from the shot you provided, but it would be neat to have a closer look too.
Yeah, that's as close as they let the public, it's a National Park  .  They have taken some preservation treatments- restoration and by now have excavated as much as possible without damage to the integrity.  They did have a sign that shows pictures of the construction of the rooms.  It's the most preserved site of it's kind, so no wonder they don't just let the public wander up in , not to mention safety factor.
Wow!  Very cool photos.  Thanks for sharing!
Who can resist a request from the Poster, SJ !
Beautiful pictures, Loretta - bring back such memories of my time out west. Hope to go back, once it becomes safer to travel again.
+19 votes
Hails and horns, Wikipeeps!

Today I bring you a pretty good blog I wrote. The theme was changes. So, I decided to delve a little bit into the recent changes Haverhill and Newburyport underwent. By recent I mean from the 1920s on: https://allroadhaverhill.blogspot.com/2021/10/52-ancestors-week-41-changes.html

Check it out!

I also helped my dad's cousin, Cathie, get in contact with my cousin Caterina in Switzerland. She e-mailed me wanting to know what the secret was to talking to her. Turns out she had the wrong e-mail address. So, I gave Caterina Cathie's and she sent her an e-mail. I just suggested to Cathie to use Google Translate. I am hoping things went well! They have a lot to catch up on! And yes, I am quite aware of how similar the names are. You'd be surprised how often "Caterina" turns up on my father's paternal side. That and "Concetta". Sadly, Cathie's mom's memory isn't as good as it used to be. It's sad but she luckily told me so much good stuff already.

I haven't heard from the commune office. So, I am going to resend an e-mail to them soon. Wish me luck on that front.

On the non genealogy front, my neck of the woods has a lot of color as the leaves have changed. Took a pic because one good rainstorm and everything goes "FOOMP!" I took two pics of the same tree and the colors changed so much in a couple days!

I hope everyone has a great weekend!
by Chris Ferraiolo G2G6 Pilot (610k points)

I love the part in your blog where you talked about the bond between people of a certain culture, even if they came from different parts of the country, "from Milan to Sicily" as you said. How true!

My grandfather was born in 1889, Talk about the changes he saw! Great blog, Chris, as usual. Write that book!

Thanks, Pip! It is true. No matter if they're from Milan or Sicily, they're all Italian. Sure they have different dialects there is still something that unifies them all. Granted they do have nicknames for each other. "Polentoli" for northerners because of the polenta they eat for example.

Born in 1889? Yeah, he saw things. I skipped the world-changing events in the blog because I think we ALL know about them. That's also why I didn't touch on the events I witnessed. One of my first memories was of the Challenger disaster. Sooo....yeah.

Glad you like the blog!
+18 votes

Good morning from north Georgia!

The weather is outstanding!

Not too much to report domestically. Hubby and I had a very low-key celebration of our 36th anniversary. I made another trip to the doctor re my GI issues. A new med was prescribed which seems to be helping some. Hubby and I both got our teeth cleaned this week and we both were able to say, "Look, ma, no cavities." The plumber returned yesterday so hubby's linen closet has been put back together. While the plumber was here he obtained water samples to send off to the University of Georgia. Neither my doctor nor I are convinced it's the water making me sick, but it will be good to know the results of the tests. We watched the deer frolic in the orchard in the evenings. Last night, after eating some of the deer food I put out, the two young ones began a game of chase. They were streaking back and forth across the orchard so fast. It is definite the one I thought was a male is a male. He has developed two little dark nubs on his forehead where his antlers would emerge.

Genealogically, I did my usual daily thing--creating profiles and/or improving profiles primarily for my Hildreth kin. I took a day off from that yesterday to participate in the Weekly Challenge re cleaning up FindAGrave references to merged memorials. That was a nice change of pace.

Hope you all have a terrific weekend!

by Nelda Spires G2G6 Pilot (469k points)
Great photo, Nelda. We love watching out "youngins" chasing each other around our backyard. You seem to have more deer than we have.

Glad the water test came out good. We probably need to have ours tested again, just to be on the safe side. It/s been six years, and we live next to an herbal supplement factory.
Pip, until last night we have only had a maximum of six come for supper--four adult females and the two young ones. Last night another adult female showed up but her presence didn't seem to sit well with the others and she was quickly chased off. According to the experts in such things, it should be rutting season in our county.
Nice picture Nelda.  We had a deer in Ruidoso NM at camp that hung out with us daily and licked peoples chairs, hubby said was licking the moisture. (I guess too lazy to go about 40 ft to the stream, LoL !)  A few times I could almost pet it.
It also might be licking salt sources.
Yeah, probably so, Beulah.
Happy (late) Anniversary Nelda and many more to come
I echo your Happy Anniversary Nelda !   You have just a few years on us.

That trip to the SW was for our 30th, in lieu of the planned Europe trip that was apparently not to be right now.
Happy anniversary, Nelda! Glad to hear the GI stuff is better and the teeth are in tiptop shape.
+20 votes

Hi from southern Ontario, 

Chez moi/at home: what's happening here? Weather is abnormally warm, no chance of frost in the next 2 weeks. It's very different from 20 years ago when we had frost by the end of September. Tomatoes and tomatillos are still growing, my leeks are about ready for harvest.  

I will be making leek and potato soup today while Weekend Chatting. Unfortunately, the garden maintenance person at my daughter's house, while 'tidying' ripped out the leeks I had planted in her vegetable garden, and they are gone! I may have to buy some if my garden does not produce sufficient ingredients. 

Alton Cemetery, One Place Study: I'm still and again wandering through the Hunter family, many of the birthdates are based on censuses and/or headstones and are not accurate. Most records that I have found were all written by people with horrible handwriting. 

Then yesterday I found one record page from the Dufferin County United Churches, Mono & Amaranth Townships, formerly Methodist and Presbyterian with birthdates, marriages and burials. There are 2 record books, they are available at the Toronto Reference library, which is downtown. I hope to find them somewhere closer or less densely populated.

WikiTree: I like the idea of a livecast series called Feature Friday, suggested in the Treehouse 2 days ago. 

Reading: I'm almost finished Sarum, I am finding many tidbits that fascinate me, such as a reference to 'Bottomless Pitt'.  We're all probably familiar with the term bottomless pit, however Pitt with 2 t's refers to William Pitt the younger who was Prime Minister of Great Britain late 1700s and had a very small bottom. 

I bought several books at the local Indigo bookstore last week and have lots to choose from for the next one. 

Covid: an announcement will be made today about relaxation of some rules, I'm hoping it will allow the Horticultural Society to meet in person again. The Board of Directors meetings by Zoom are getting somewhat uncivilised, people are interrupting and talking over others. 

by M Ross G2G6 Pilot (473k points)
Ooo, leek and potato soup! Sounds wonderful!

I bought two books while I was at the mission yesterday, like I don't have enough to read already, but I'm a book hound. When will I find the time?

Hi M, I will be happy to send my address to you. I would love a bucket of your potato and leek soup!

Are you making headway on the Alton Cemetery project? It sounds as though you are. 

I purchased a book at the Mission yesterday...A Handbook of Native American Herbs by Alma Hutchens. I also found a book I have not read as yet, Celtic Mythology and Religion by A. MacBain. I think I will read this one first given that we are nearing Samhain

Are we going to have another wonderful VV from you today? I hope?

Pip, it's supposed to rain for hours today, so soup making is a good inside activity.

I'm hoping to harvest all my tomatoes and leeks before the rain starts. The tomato plants are far past their best, they have a virus called Tomato Purple Leaf syndrome, which is new and discovered a few years ago in Florida.

Commercial tomato growers are getting quite worried.

The tomatillos are still growing so and will do so until we get a hard frost, which according to the weather forecast won't be until November.

Googled "tomatillos" and goggled at them ... A tomatillo is a small round fruit with a green color and papery husk. They're native to Mexico and are commonly used in Mexican cuisine to make salsas, sauces and more. Other names for the fruit are: Mexican husk tomato. jamberry.Jul 17, 2019

When all was done, we now have 7 litres of leek and potato soup in 7 containers cooling so I can put it in the freezer.
Carol;The Alton cemetery project has slowed down due to the Hunter family with the 4 sons who immigrated along with their parents David and Mary in 1836.

Some of their descendants are buried at Alton, others are buried at another cemetery close by, I am trying to create profiles for all the sons plus descendants because they are such an integral part of the local history. As is common for that time period, names are repeated in all the families.

Son John and his wife Rebecca, have kids named James, David, Mary Ann, John, Rebecca, Martha, William and Joseph.

Son David and his wife Mary Jane have kids named Martha, John James, Eliza Jane and Mary.

Son Joseph and his wife Nancy/Ann have kids named Elizabeth, Joseph, David, Martha, Margaret, William John and Samuel.

Son Robert and his wife Jane have Mary.

There might be another son as a James Hunter is buried at Alton, he would be in the right age range, but seems to have no family of his own and the headstone just has his name and age at death.

I'm not creating profiles for all 24 of the children now, but am including a list on the parent's profiles for each family. And then those children all married and had another bunch of small Hunters.
+20 votes

Virtual Vacation!

Garden of the Gods April 2008 

We visited Denver and area in late April 2008. The Robbie (my DH) was speaking at a conference, we decided we should both go and have a week's vacation before the conference. We stayed in Manitou Springs and explored the area. 

The Garden of the Gods has wonderful sandstone rock formations, some tall, some huge and some just fascinating. There are lots of twisted junipers that grow slowly in the dry climate. The sky was bright blue, and we could see Pikes Peak in the background. 

Our rental car dwarfed by a giant boulder.


A window in the rock wall, Pikes Peak in the background. 


These look like giant drippy sand sculptures on the beach.


Some of the rock towers look like they are tipped sideways. 


I love the bark!


Perhaps an eagle in the background.


The rocks and Pikes Peak. 


by M Ross G2G6 Pilot (473k points)
Ohhh, great photos. You and Loretta are making me salivate with your pics. I really need to get in the car and just DRIVE! Thanks for the Virtual Vacation. It is a feature of the Chat I look forward to!
Thanks for posting more very nice pictures of "Valley of the Gods" M Ross.  Like I said if I posted every picture that was great on our 6 week vacation.... I would hog the whole chat! Yeah that giant boulder like I said above is called Balanced Rock.  Hubby found very large fossilized foot prints up by it.....Sasquatch  ? ?? And Eric W. has very kindly corrected me above, it's Garden of the Gods, thank you.
Hi M, thanks for bringing back so many wonderful memories  of 'Valley of the Gods' in living color. Your ability to 'capture' scenic beauty that tells its own story is really remarkable.
Is it just me, or was there a goofy looking face in that tree bark? I might just be seeing things...
You mean on the third branch from the left, about halfway down the top part of the branch, with a knothole as an eye?

I see a face!

I see onesmiley.   But did you know they have proven seeing faces is woven into our DNA. Part of our survival instinct when we lived in forests and jungles and might be stalked or chased.  We are literally trained to see faces in all things!

Wow, seems like everyone is on vacation this week!  Beautiful photos!
+22 votes
Greetings from Tucson.  I get to brag a little that I met the Pipster!  And Carol Baldwin and Diane Hildebrant.  It was a WikiTree celebration.  Highlight of my week.  For those who want to know, Pip is tall, good looking, has a mustache, is a little younger than me and still has plenty of hair.  And he is the nicest guy!  His tee-shirt said Serial Kilter.  We wished he had worn one, especially the black leather one!

Everything else I did this week was secondary and hardly worthy of a report!
by Cindy Cooper G2G6 Pilot (236k points)
Hi Cindy, I totally agree! It was great to meet the Pipster, you and Cousin Diane in person and get 'real' hugs. I'm posting my photos from yesterday on a FB story so my friends and family can be pea green (or pee yellow) with envy! I will see you at 11am at Tohono Chul for another opportunity to make Wiki-memories!
IT WAS A WIKITREE CELEBRATION is how it should be printed.
A real highlight for me, too, Cindy! Hope you and Carol got to meet up today. I thought about y'all while I was eating at the Iron Door Restaurant on Mt. Lemmon!
How fun for you all to have a meet-up.  Pip seems very nice on the thon videos - glad to hear he's nice in person too!  Alexis and Susan and I are talking about having a Euro meeting next year.
+15 votes

On this day:

70 BC: The Roman poet Virgil was born

1805: The Battle of Ulm is fought

2000: The Nobel Laureate Konrad Emil Bloch dies

by Jelena Eckstädt G2G Astronaut (1.1m points)
I'll be reading about the Battle of Ulm tonight before I go to bed. Thanks, Professor!

surprise Pretty heavy battle --  allowed Napoleon I to trap an entire Austrian army under the command of Karl Freiherr Mack von Leiberichwith minimal losses and to force its surrender near Ulm in the Electorate of Bavaria.

 When Bavaria sided with Napoleon, the Austrians, 72,000 strong under Mack, prematurely invaded while the Russians were still marching through Poland

+21 votes

Greetings to all from beautiful southeastern Arizona. This will be a short post because I need to leave in a few minutes for my Friends of the Library meeting, then host at the senior center.

Pip brought very cold, strong winds with him! The wind howled so much Monday night, it kept waking me up. So, temps have been about 15 degrees colder than normal. But yesterday was a beautiful sunny day in the upper 70s F.

What a joy it was to meet Pip, his brother Mike, Carol, and Cindy. I got to hug each one in person! Touring the mission and gift shops were fantastic. The Indian fry bread was delectable and everything Carol promised it would be. Definitely worth the drive to join them for the day.

smaller San Xavier del Bac

by Diane Hildebrandt G2G6 Pilot (102k points)
It sounds like a kilt wearer had read the weather forecast.
It was a wonderful time together, Diane, just wonderful. You keep on researching about that land and court case. You'll eventually come across something that will explain it all!
Pip is tall and merciless. I have to make a note of that. Great pic! Still, Serial Kilter and he isn't even wearing a kilt. Come on, man.
Just love this photo!
We had a great time and the town seems a little less lively since the Pipster returned home. Hope he returns soon with his wife and we can make the rounds again!
+21 votes

Hello from ... dark ... London. The days have started getting quite short and there's an awful lot of cloud about the place. 

Still, I've been very busy today reading 128 pages of Edward Munroe's exchange with the Bureau of Pensions. He may or may not have been "America's Oldest Civil Veteran" but he definitely started a civil war within the American political machine.

The Ministry of the Interior seems to have been quite sceptic of Munroe's claims about his service and Munroe probably would have been refused. However, he became quite famous amongst the populace and a favourite of many journalists and the "Consul General of The United States of America at London, England" to the extent that they paid for Munroe's lawyers, wrote letters on his behalf and let him use the American Embassy as a posting address.

Once the two sides of the bureaucratic civil war had been set up it was 21 years of back and forth until the Secretary of the Interior himself demanded to see the ship registers and proved enough of Munroe's claims to personally grant him the pension. Of course, this is so greatly abridged and I really should make a twelve part novel series about this man's life. I haven't even mentioned the funeral dilemma, the doctors, the witnesses and the fact that Munroe spent half of his time in the civil war pretending to be a be another person named William Randolph that had "backed out". Even worse might be that those 128 pages only cover 1861-1865 and not his disputed early life; his time hunting pirates in the Gulf of Mexico; his daring voyages around the world; or the time when he had yellow fever and a dying sailor told him the location of Jean Lafitte's secret buried treasure.

by David Smith G2G6 Mach 7 (73.0k points)

Good Heavens !!! However did you come across HIM?? Definitely you need to write an article at least, 4 pages in whatever journals or magazines still publish 4 pages of anything except ads 

I was just going through the census in my local area and saw a 101 year old man. I thought, "huh, that's pretty extraordinary me look him up in the local paper" and then everything has just snowballed from there.

I think rather than following "rabbits down holes", I follow "snowmen down hills". The more you chase them, the bigger they get.

Well THAT is an image that will stay in my mind .. , I follow "snowmen down hills". The more you chase them, the bigger they get.

"I think rather than following "rabbits down holes", I follow "snowmen down hills". The more you chase them, the bigger they get." Oh, how true, David!

That's definitely some capital research right there! Keep up the good work!
+17 votes
Greetings and Salutations, Fellow WikiTreers!

So we're now into week two of unemployment and the search goes on. My contract at my previous employer expired at the end of September, and the hunt began before it ended, but so far, no fruit has been bourn. And so the search continues. But contractors know this is a potential outcome, so it's not like we're not prepared for such an eventuality, but realistically I'd prefer that it not go on forever. I do have two that I'm waiting on possible offers, so maybe by the end of today or maybe on Monday, I'll know if either of them will pan out.

We had a small Covid scare as well, as it seems to have struck a few of our church members. We had a small wave come through a few months ago - about 3-4 isolated people caught it, got over it, and we moved on. We recently had someone related to a church member pass away suddenly from it. And now our pastor, his wife, and a few long-time church members have it - most of them in isolated situations (i.e., other than the pastor and his wife, they didn't give it to each other). So that nasty bug is floating around a bit. And then my son appeared to have it, maybe, but wasn't tested, and the rest of his family seemed to catch it, quickly got over it, and it only now appears to be a minor case of the sniffles. I'll take that any day over possibly learning how to breathe when you can't, which seems to be the worst symptom of Covid. Add to this my Dad is having heart problems and going into surgery next week, an MRI the following week, and who knows what after they get done with all that - it's been a bit of a roller coaster lately.

On a bit of a positive note, since I've got more time on my hands, I've been able to spend them with my Dad, and should be able to be at his procedure next week. He has to be watched for 24 hours after, so looks like I've got a job after all! It may not pay $$, but it pays in many other ways. Sadly, he has no internet, so I'll have to techno-engineer a solution (like a wi-fi hotspot) or learn to sit back and read a good book. I've been studying Polish (Dzien Dobry!!) lately in hopes that we "might" be able to take a Missions Trip there next year, so perhaps that's the ideal time to really focus on my grammar. Especially if I need a bit of rest between checking on Dad.

Genealogy has been busy too. I finally finished the initial list of 4000 living Notables who needed to be opened up for privacy, and began work on the next list of about another 1000, and uncovered a whole bunch more that appear to be hiding in the woodworks. Plus turning over these rocks is exposing all the duplicates people have created of Notables and hidden out there in various nooks and crannies, so I guess it's time to drag them out into the sunlight where we can get a good look at them and play the Highlander Game with them (THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!).

That's plenty for now. As for handling how things are going? The good Lord has given me the peace I need to only stress about this once in awhile, but for the most part, I'm pretty calm about it. I AM looking forward to something resembling normalcy in the near future, but if that doesn't come, I'll continue to plan ahead as best I can, stay calm, and rely on Him to deal with the big stuff while I work towards all this little stuff that keeps happening.

Stay safe everyone!
by Scott Fulkerson G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)

Plus in dragging it out into the open, so to speak, is that it will eliminate a number of duplicates ... thanx be to thee that thou hast undertaken this 

(Sorry. Could not resist the "t" this time) 

Hope your search yields high paying fruit soon, Scott.  And hope your Dad's procedure goes smoothly.

Thank you for all your hard work on the living Notables and Notables in general for that matter ! Incredible job!
Sorry about the covid scare. Take it easy, Scott!
Thanks, all. On the way home from the grocery I got a call with my first offer. Since I had previously promised to give one other position the opportunity to also make an offer by end of day Monday, I'm in a position now to accept the first offer, or potentially have 2 offers at the same time (which would be interesting). But I'm happy that at least by end of day Monday, I'll have made a commitment to work for one of the two clients.
Wonderful news indeed.
No job, but busy as a bee, Scott! That's a good thing. However, I really do hope you find employment soon.

Fortunately for our church (full of elderly), we have had no Covid cases. We did video only for a long while, but have been taking all the precautions available to help us along. Plus, everyone there has had their vaccinations.

Hope you dad has a quick recovery!

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