Notables Nov 2021

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Hear Ye, Hear Ye

If you are interested in people who are famous, notable, noted, significant, important, historic, heroic, or otherwise fascinating, then the Notables Project might be for you! 

The idea behind this post is for anyone who needs help with connecting Notables to the tree to post to this thread and ask for help, or if you want to tell us whom you have successfully connected up, or if you want to join the Notables Project and get a badge.

Besides checking out the Notables Project page, don't forget to take a look at the Notables List page, where you can find lists of Notables who have profiles which aren't yet connected to the main tree. (For ideas on way to connect unconnected people and branches, see the Hints and Tips on the Connectors Chat page.)

Please remember to concentrate on those Notables who have already passed (died), so that we can see their profiles. If you create a profile for a living Notable, that profile WILL GO UNLISTED and no one can see it except for the PM and anyone on the trusted list!

And remember - Notables should have a Wikipedia page at the very least to qualify. But an entry in the country's NATIONAL Whose Who or a NATIONAL Biography  is acceptable as well. And they should be DEAD!

Deaths in Wikipedia for Oct 2021

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_2021#October

in The Tree House by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)

I would like to join the Notables project and earn the badge! I have created Morrison-16626 who was a Congressional Medal of Honor recipient. I also completed a profile on the Reverend Donald MacQueen-19 who was a Scottish Notable for the Tartan Trail team. 

Welcome to the Notables Team, Laurie! Please read through the project page (link above) and add Notables to the Tags you follow. Thanks!
Thank you, Scott! I’ll review the Project Page!

36 Answers

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by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
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Quick update on living Notables. Other than a few stragglers, we have completed pass #1 and pass #2 on the first list that was provided and pass #1 on the second list that was provided, so I think we're going to call it essentially complete at this time.

Note that there are a decent number of Notables that are still living that do not qualify for the privacy updates at this time, as they must have 3 Wikipedia articles (in different languages) to qualify for this update. If we find any that were opened in error or were missed, we can begin to address those as we identify them.

Hopefully things will begin to return to normal now that we're through the lists.
by Scott Fulkerson G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
I don't plan on adding any living notables right now, but just to make sure for the future, do we have any other rules, aside from the standard & the three Wikipedia articles rules, regarding eligibility for living notables?
The 3 Wikipedia articles are necessary to have them opened as it relates to privacy, not for them to be created. The link Melanie provided outlines the requirements for creation.
Ah, thank you both- I hadn't seen that page til now

Got it. 3 Wikipedia articles (in different languages) to qualify for this update for living notable people. Thanks!

I feel that there is an important living notable missing (at least I couldn't find it). Pete Townshend of The Who. Full proper name Peter Dennis Blandford Townshend. His Wikipedia entry is in 46 languages and of course he's prominently mentioned in The Who's entry as well as separate articles on his discography and another on The Who and articles on several of the band's albums and his solo efforts. While I personally am a bigger fan of his band mate Roger Daltrey (who does have a living notable page) I must admit that Pete is more notable and should have an entry.

If there's a better place to suggest this please let me know.
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Y'all, it took some doing but notorious druglord Pablo Escobar (who used to feed his enemies to his "cocaine hippos") will be connected to the Tree as soon as the database updates. Plata o plomo?

by Jessica Key G2G6 Pilot (315k points)
edited by Jessica Key
Had to look that up - wasn't sure what that meant. Thought at first it was latin, but it's spanish. Oh well. Guess I'm not up on drug lord speak. Silver or lead? I'm guessing the content of the bullet you're about to get shot with?

Plata o plomo? refers to silver (money) or lead (bullets) -- bribes or death -- your life or your soul.

"Plomo o Plata" is also the title of one of the chapters in Manuel Noriega's autobiography.
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I connected Edwin Pauley, oilman, UC Regent, philanthopist, owner of Gilligan's Island and namesake of the Pauley Pavilion.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pauley-1028

Connected Bob Magoon, who opened 2 of the hottest bars in Waikiki: Hula's and The Wave.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Magoon-252

Connected philosopher Alan Watts through his wife.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Watts-12219

Connected Texas oilman H. L. Hunt and 2 of his sons, Nelson and Lamar who went broke trying to corner the silver market. Lamar also invented the Super Bowl.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hunt-23813

Connected Harold L. Ickes, FDR's Secretary of Interior.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ickes-211

Checkers champion Edwin Hunt:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hunt-23858
by Mark Burch G2G6 Pilot (218k points)
edited by Mark Burch
Mark, you took me on a reunion tour of Gilligan's Island with that one. Had to go look back at a few of the profiles (and even found a duplicate of Alan Hale that needs addressing), so that was a bit interesting to be sure. Thanks.
+6 votes
Ronnie Wilson has died. He was one of the founding members of The Gap Band.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/02/ronnie-wilson-gap-band-founder-dead-dies/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gap_Band
by Judi Stutz G2G6 Pilot (332k points)
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+6 votes
Iris Apfel turned 100 and I have a basic profile for her listing her and her parents. May I join this project? If there is a profile (there wasn't when I created this profile) can mine be merged with it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Apfel

Father's name:
https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Barrel-6&public=1

Her profile with four references, private:  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Barrel-5

There are also some Argentineans who are notables that I'd like to work on.
by Deborah Nystrom G2G6 Mach 1 (15.6k points)
Welcome to the Notables Team, Deborah!

As far as I can tell, no other profile exists for Iris other than the one you created. So I think we won't need a merge.

Thanks!
Excellent! Thanks for admitting me to the group.

How lovely to be able to build out a profile for Iris. How is it made public?

I've added a notable sticker to her profile and will build it out more soon.
You can change the level of privacy from the Privacy Tab.
Don't forget to add a centenarian's sticker to the profile.
I think for open living Notables the Project needs to co-Manage before the privacy change.

Absolutely correct! Please review the project page for details about how to add the project account to a profile that is non-Open privacy. All Notables that are non-Open privacy "must" have a project account added as co-manager (not just on the Trusted List) so that the profile is protected properly by the project. 

As it relates to being made public, there are varying levels of privacy. A living Notable can be set to Private (only those on the Trusted List can see it, with the exception of Admins) or as open as Yellow Privacy (Private with Public Biography and Family Tree). Living Notables can only be moved to this by the Project Leader, and it requires a minimum of 3 Wikipedia articles (in different languages) to qualify. Otherwise, once the person passes away, the profile is then updated with a date of death and the status indicators are appropriately changed, and then they can be moved to Open privacy.

This is also another reason that the Project is required to co-manage these profiles, as some steps can only be taken by the Project account or by the Project Leader.

Minimum of three exceeded.

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Thanks so much for checking this out for the other Wikipedia notations. Much appreciated! I have invited a project leader (Robynn) to the profile and will see if we can get the Iris Apfel profile set to public.
UM Deborah, I think you need to add the Notables Project - not an individual person - not me.

Will send you an email with the Notables email address
You can always find the email on the Project Page (link in this thread already, and at the top of the page in the initial email).
I've opened her privacy so that she can be seen more visibly now.
+5 votes

One of the husbands of Ivana Trump, Rossano Rubicondi, died of cancer already Oct 29. Here is his Italian Wikipedia-entry. The actual cause of death was obviously an aneurysma in the lung, but he also suffered of cancer already for years.

by Jelena Eckstädt G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
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I created a profile for Mary Caroline Coulcher (Coulcher-31), but I haven't been able to connect her yet.  If anyone wanted to help, it would be appreciated.
by Melissa Jamison G2G6 Mach 4 (48.8k points)
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Former Senator Max Cleland just died.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/max-cleland-dies-senator-veteran-143309956.html

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cleland-372

He will be connected through his father J. H. Cleland:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cleland-1149

There's a lot of weird endogamy on the paternal side with the Clelands and the Plunketts. Not well sourced either.
by Mark Burch G2G6 Pilot (218k points)
edited by Mark Burch
Thanks, Mark! I've updated his profile with the date of death, opened the privacy, and added his father as requested.
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Once the database updates, Nobel Laureate Robert Koch will be connected.

by Jelena Eckstädt G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
I thought I recognized that name! I'm pretty sure we studied him in biology.
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Dean Stockwell, the holographic sidekick on Quantum Leap, has died. He was 85 years old.

There are 2 profiles for him - one has been updated and is now open, and the other is still Unlisted.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Stockwell-373
by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
Dean Stockwell was a pretty amazing guy. I hunted up his awards list, and he won a Golden Globe (twice, I think), and was nominated for an Academy Award, but otherwise had a mostly quiet acting career. I thought it was interesting that he was invited to numerous science fiction conventions, so he was highly desired and respected in those circles at least. His career started off in more normal movies and such, so he'd be one that might be very interesting to write up a bio on the twists and turns his career had over his lifetime. I even was reading up that he stepped away from Hollywood for a bit in the middle of his life, so I'd be curious what he did during that break.
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I would like to join the Notables project. I've been adding Notables stickers to some of the profiles I manage.
by Paul Schmehl G2G6 Pilot (148k points)
Welcome to the Notables Team, Paul! And thanks for helping out by adding stickers to those profiles that need them. We're always aware that there are so many Notables and so few to help identify them, so it's always nice to hear there are others helping us out.
I'm a little concerned,, because I read the project page, and it said notables should be on Wikipedia. The people I've put the stickers on were Mayors, State Representatives, and Senators.

I doubt any of them are on Wikipedia.

Notables Project page says they must qualify for a Wikipedia page.  It doesn't say they must have one, even though the monthly g2g thread says that they do.

If they do not have a Wikipedia page or an entry in a National Biography, they you really need to understand the process it takes to get a Wikipedia page created and approved. I've seen quite a few who seemed Notable at first,  only to see them later rejected by Wikipedia. So if you have any questions regarding Notability, just ask and we can evaluate them. We "prefer" that they have a Wikipedia page as that's an automatic, but we will review those that do not.
I'm a Wikipedia editor, so I could easily create a page. I don't know if the page would be approved. By entry in a National Biography, would the 1500 page tome, North Carolina Government from 1585-1974 qualify? Or does the person have to have national notoriety?

I feel pretty certain that Nathan Alexander Stedman III, Stedman-538, would qualify for a Wikipedia page. I'm not quite as sure about his brother, Winship, Stedman-542. Edward Kuhn, Kuhn-5752,, I would think, would qualify.

I must confess, I'm not too excited about creating those pages. It's a lot of work. But I'll do it if that's what it takes.
I'm a Wikipedia editor too, but have only created 1 page and it's quite a bit of work.

A "National" Biography is a relatively formal book that actually documents the most important people to a Nation, so a "State" version of the same wouldn't count.

We don't require a page to be created, but only that you provide some reasonable level of proof that one "could" be created if you invested the time and energy into it (which isn't necessary). However, we maintain the same general standards for a WikiTree Notable - they must be famous for "something" as a start. Having a "job" isn't really good enough. So if they were State Senator from 1972-1976 and really didn't do anything other than warm up a seat, then it's very likely they wouldn't qualify. But if during that time, they instigated an investigation into the Governor's financial misdeeds, and assisted the prosecution with getting him tossed from office or tainted his reelection, then there might just be enough evidence there to make him a Notable. So you get the idea - just a job won't work, but having a job that gave you the opportunity to do something memorable, famous or "notable" would get you the opportunity to request Notable status.

There's actors this way too. Acted a bit part here, a bit part there, never a lead, short career, a few people remember one of the parts they played, but it's more of a "hey I remember that guy" thing than if they did something truly memorable or won an award. And so guys/gals like this don't get a Wikipedia page and after consideration most times wouldn't get a Notable tag either.

So probably not a bad idea to go back and review the ones you set up, determine if they were just seat warmers or if they changed history through their position, and that will help determine if they were truly Notables or just another person who had a slightly interesting job.

I have created a Wikipedia page for Nathan Alexander Stedman III (Stedman-538), and it was rejected for lack of sources. It seems they don't accept any government publications or genealogy sources.

So, I've reworked it and added a number of newspaper sources.

Here's what the reviewer said: "Subject is quite notable. But consist of lack of information. I might mark it green but due to lack of sources I can't recognize him yet."

Hopefully, my resubmission will pass muster.

 It seems they don't accept any government publications or genealogy sources.

 by Paul Schmehl

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I had an edit reversed because the source/citation I used was the SSDI.  (I also got a snippy post to my talk(?) page.)  I shrugged my shoulders -- real and virtual -- made sure the profile on Wikitree was accurate and muttered "go for it, guy - I know what I had is correct".  Said Wikipedia page also has incorrectly stated relationships - but, hey, if they like having inaccuracies, that's on them, not me.

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by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
My wife used to watch Y&R and I can recall seeing him before. Of course the one that sticks in my head is Eric Braden, but at the moment he's still living.
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Actor Gavan O'Herlihy has died. Who you ask? Gaven played Chuck Cunningham, older brother of Richie and Joanie Cunningham, in nine episodes of television's Happy Days - a character who disappeared from the show without explanation after the first season. Although his name might not be well recognized, he did appear in other notable films and television shows including Superman III, Never Say Never Again, Willow, and Lonesome Dove.

His father was acclaimed Irish actor Dan O'Herlihy, who was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor for his titular role in 1955's Robinson Caruso.   

I have created brief profiles for both Gavan and his father, but have left both available for adoption. 

by David Randall G2G6 Pilot (350k points)
We FOUND Chuck Cunningham! Someone call Ritchie!
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new astronaut dies in small plane crash

Glen DeVries (1972-2021)

On 13 October 2021 he accompanied actor William Shatner, as part of the Blue Origin suborbital mission into outer space.

Glen died on 11 Nov 2021 in a small plane crash in New Jersey, USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_de_Vries

https://people.com/human-interest/glen-de-vries-william-shatner-space-flight-crew-member-dies-new-jersey-plane-crash/
by N Gauthier G2G6 Pilot (294k points)
I suspect his grandfather's profile is entered into WikiTree, but based on the fact that Glen's birth year is 1972, I suspect his father is still living. This always presents a challenge for me, as it means one link in the chain will remain private, which screws up connection visibility, but if someone wants to create his profile, we can do so. We'll just have to make sure the project is on all the private profiles in the chain and maybe we can find a way to set up the profiles so that the link can be made visible.
Yes Glen's parents are still living ... one of the newspapers got a brief statement from his father. I haven't figured out who his grandfther is yet. Glen was born in Canada an ancestry.com will not let me see Canadian records as I only have an American subscription.
It seems like a bit of an unusual name. I wasn't sure if this guy was related.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/DeVries-219
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Hannah Price @25 was found murdered on 12 Nov 2021. She was the step-daughter of musician Chris Daughtry, who was a former "American Idol" contestant.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/13/chris-daughtry-daughter-dead-25-tour-postponed/

by N Gauthier G2G6 Pilot (294k points)
edited by N Gauthier
Chris Daughtry should get a yellow privacy, he personally has Wikipedia-entries in more than 3 languages.
Agreed - I've opened up his privacy.
He is connected now and I have added links to his deceased paternal grandparents.
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I connected David Foster Wallace, author of Infinite Jest. He was a promising young writer who was plagued with depression and killed himself at age 46.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wallace-20351
by Mark Burch G2G6 Pilot (218k points)
+6 votes
Recently I was working on linking up unconnected branches and came across one by wikitree member Bongiovi-2 with about 300 profiles. I was able to link them up to the global wikitree via a different included surname.

He said that for years he has been unable to connect his branch up to the singer most widely known as "Jon Bon Jovi".

I was also able to link up the Notables profile for Bongiovi-1 though his wife's line - which will show connected on the morning of 21 Nov 2021. I am still working on Jon Bon Jovi's paternal line. He is a PPP profile and initially I am having trouble just getting his parents added. I can't tell who is in charge of the PPP protection - I have tried going through the Notables Project but Scott said he wasn't able to add the parents either. Can any leader add the private parents profiles of Bongiovi-18 & Sharkey-723 ?

While researching I came across an interesting tidbit that Notable Frank Sinatra is supposed to be the blood related greatuncle of Jon Bon Jovi on his father's side. source: May 1988 issue of Spin Magazine p22.

To help in the endeavour of linking those 2 up, I have greatly expanded Sinatra's wikitree family. I am hoping that wikitree's Italian Project could add some good sourcing to Sinatra's Italian ancestors ... and maybe even find a Bongiovi connection back in Italy. Thanks for any help.

https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Sinatra-Family-Tree-1
by N Gauthier G2G6 Pilot (294k points)
edited by N Gauthier
At least Jon Bon Jovi should get a yellow privacy as he has a Wikipedia-page in around 60 languages.

Edit: In a German interview he denies to be related to Sinatra: "Nearly every Italo-American claims to be related to Sinatra. I'm definitely not." We'll see.
Bon Jovi's mother used to have an english wikipedia page but it got merged with his. I don't know enough about the rule for Wikipedia pages in other lanurages. Can someone tell me if the webpage below qualifies as input for that ...

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5044555

If so, then I can add her to the Notables project. I thought I had her line sourced correctly. But today, I have come across some some other conflicting sources; and could use some help separating what seems like 2 women both just months apart with the same name ... and yet both claimed to be a Bongiovi wife. Thanks
From what I see, she does not qualify.
As they say, "fame is fleeting". Since she doesn't have a current page in any language that we can find, she doesn't qualify. But if someone turns up one in (for example) French, Spanish, or German, then she would. It doesn't have to be in English.
I am still working on Jon Bon Jovi's tree and today I connected up his cousin
Robert Hegyes-5 who played "Juan Epstein", one of the "sweathogs"
(along with John Travolta) on the old TV show "Welcome Back Kotter".

They were related through 2 Cocozza sisters ...
Robert's mother was aunt to Bon Jovi and
Bon Jovi's father was uncle to Robert.

There is an old photo of them together as youngsters at ...

https://www.pinterest.co.kr/pin/502855114625146640/
+7 votes
Jeff Wald has died. He was the former husband and manager of Helen Ready. He was a prominent Hollywood manager and promoter.

https://variety.com/2021/music/news/jeff-wald-dead-helen-reddy-1235111642/
by Judi Stutz G2G6 Pilot (332k points)
This is Helen Reddys profile. I created it in 2017.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Reddy-195

Her daughter Traci Wald is also on wikitree but her profile is currently unlisted.  I made it back in 2017 before the GDPR came into effect, Same time as I created Helen Reddys profile as well.

The only details I can find for Jeffrey Wald are from IMDB

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0907002/

Bio

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0907002/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

So if someone else can create Jeffreys profile, that would be good.

Also Traci Walds spouse is Lucas Donat - He too is Notable and Unlisted. The profile was also created back in 2017. I have just added the Notables sticker

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Donat-65

And for the record - Lucas Donat's mother is the actress Michael Learned - better known as Olivia Walton on TV - I created her profile as well!!

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Learned-201

This is why I created Lucas and Traci's profiles - to get their mothers online and connected!!

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